In 1996, Alex Collier, one of the Greats of the UFO Contactees, gave this very length interview with researcher Val Valarian – Audio and Text

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This interview is very length and covers a whole lot of subjects of interest to those who are into UFO’s.

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A Planetary Update

The following material is a followup interview conducted with Alex Collier in regard to the Andromedan paradigm. For reference purposes, the initial interview was in LE#90 and the main feature, ET’s and the Global Connection, was in LE#89. The interview was conducted on Sunday May 5, 1996.

Val: Perhaps it would be best to start with a general update from you, both on the planetary side and the extra-planetary/dimensional side.

AC: Well, let’s see…a planetary update. There are more reptilians than there were before. There are approximately 20 of the royal Draconian line in the planet at this time.

Val: The Ciakars?

AC: Yes. An underground facility was apparently built for them in the mountains in Madagascar. It is something that Morenae seemed very concerned about, because they don’t know exactly why the Ciakars are here….they usually don’t fight their own battles. On a galactic level, several humanoid colonies in the Hercules cluster have been admitted to the Andromedan Council.

Val: What about the biological situation on the planet?

AC: The viruses that are going to be hitting the United States are going to be blamed on Africa. It of course is not true. I am sure most of your readers know that already.

Val: It’s no secret that all the viral and plague outbreaks have always been organisms that are involved with known government biowarfare programs.

AC: Yes. The interesting thing about the Ebola virus is that there is an extraterrestrial gene that has been added to it.

Val: I have heard that the same thing was done by factions in the government to create the HIV virus.

AC: Yes. I don’t know what extraterrestrial race provided the gene for the recombinant HIV virus, but I know that the biological material that has been added to the Ebola was given to the government by the humanoids from Sirius B. I don’t know if it was one of their viruses that they picked up somewhere or whether it is actually from them.

Val: Well, giving thought to the question: of who would want to biologically decimate the planet, the governmental factions have their agenda, but the reptilian race comes to mind as a contender who might in fact have orchestrated this biological weapon exchange.

AC: This is true. There are a lot different races that would love to have this solar system totally secured, primarily because of Saturn and Jupiter, and the Earth is a prize because of all the water on it. But, if they gave certain human beings on Earth the viruses, and those human beings in turn go ahead and use them, it doesn’t totally absolve them of culpability, but at the same time it does relieve them (the aliens) of the idea that they actually did it to us. This is the really scary part, you know.

Val: This attitude is not uncommon even here on Earth. It is an interesting parallel to the attitude of some organized religious and political groups who behave in the same way, having other people do their dirty work. Ultimately, however, they cannot escape the karmic debt incurred by doing these things.

AC: Well, you’re right.

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More on Draconian Activities With Human Children

Val: Referring back to some of the things you said in the ET’s and Global Connection, you noted that there were some 1800 reptilians inside the Earth that have been responsible for some 37,000 human children disappearing. Have you acquired any additional information or clarification relative to this statement?

AC: You mean, what they do to the human children?

Val: Well, any clarification beyond that simple statement relative to what is happening.

AC: Well, I can tell you two things. You’re not going to like this.

Val: I’m probably already aware of what you are about to say, but go ahead.

AC: Well, my understanding is that aside from the fact that they eat human children, what they do is that they drain fluids from the brains of children while they are in fear.

Val: I have heard of this before. It is to get that substance which to them is like a drug.

AC: It’s like a narcotic.

Val: From the adrenal and pituitary glands?

AC: Yes. Apparently the government has tried to copy this substance, but they can’t, so they have this agreement with the reptilians down below. My understanding is that the primary agreement is that they will allow the world governments to mine gold in exchange for the human children.

Val: It is an interesting parallel to a movie I saw called I Come in Peace, which featured a rogue time-traveler from an alien race who came to Earth and killed humans just to get endorphins from their brain while they were in terror. Another alien was sent dimensionally to stop him, because if he was successful in accumulating endorphins and returning with them, there would be no end to the slaughter of humans, as others would come. Galactic drug dealers.

AC: There is more to it than that. The excretion has some of the genetic coding within it. This is really what they are after. Apparently they can absorb it, but their bodies don’t produce it. There is a chemical that we have in our brains that no other life form creates. It is a result of the fact that we have 22 genetic lines within human DNA, plus the primate race. No one can yet copy this chemical yet. As far as them being galactic drug dealers, I have never heard them referred to as that, but it’s interesting.

Val: Well, it was only in reference to that movie, but the fact they would raid another species and kill them to acquire this substance. Of course, humans do this to other species, don’t they?

AC: Well, they have this attitude that because part of their genetics are within us, that they have a “right” to do this. The Greys apparently have the same philosophy, and I can remember in one of the things that you sent me that Drunvalo also says that. I would like to offer a different perspective in that it is just flat wrong. They don’t have a “right” to do it. Somehow they have convinced the world governments that they have this “right”.

Val: Of course, the world governments are within the paradigm of Neo-Darwinism and genetic engineering, and it is no surprise that they would gladly except this statement as pseudo-confirmation of their own position and rationale.

AC: Yes.

Val: It wouldn’t be too much of a stretch for these people.

AC: Yes

Val: And apparently the reptilians use human children as sex slaves, which is something I have heard periodically over the last few years, even in conjunction with governmental child sex rings that were mentioned in the book Trance-Formation in America by Cathy O’Brien.

AC: What is interesting is that the reptilians primarily enjoy human males in this way, which is really disgusting.

Val: Well, the whole thing is really disgusting. Let’s change the subject!

AC: Yes, please.

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Update on Benevolent ET’s on Earth

Val: You noted one time that there were about 1500 benevolent ET’s on Earth that were relatively indistinguishable from ordinary humans, and that you were at the time not privy to their purpose for being here. Have you discovered more relative to this?

AC: Well, in truth, I know exactly why they’re here. But I have been told to really not talk about it. I will tell you that the original number of 1500 in 1987 is now down to 1231. And, I understand that in the next three months another 97 will leave.

Val: Then I guess the number will just decrease steadily until August 2003?

AC: Yes, the last bunch will leave then.

Val: So, what I can get out of all of this is that these alien humanoids are intelligence operatives who monitor the state of affairs on Earth.

AC: Your perception is very accurate. I feel like I have broken a promise.

Val: No. If I already have the logic to figure things out, then there is no word broken. I mean, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to deduce why they are here, I suppose.

In the last interview (LE#90) you noted that “the anger coming up in young people was because of the unlocking of DNA that is releasing energy that they don’t know what to do with.” I asked “what are the teens to do?”, and you replied that you would have to get back to me on that.

AC: Well, I have asked them if they would outline a workable system of expression that would be positive and beneficial, not only to the teens, but to the adults. Morenae said that the next time he spoke with me that he would have an answer. As soon as I find out, I will get that information to you.

Val: Great. In the last interview, it was stated that the Greys captured and boxed human souls, and that Morenae did not want to answer the question of what happens to these souls. Has Morenae changed his mind about that yet?

AC: No, not yet. I don’t think it’s because of Morenae. He is always reluctant to say he can’t answer something, so I think that the directive not to reveal that information comes from a higher level. I don’t know if they are concerned that the information might generate more fear on this planet. It could be that they are just trying to figure out a way to let us know.

Val: In order to deal with these kind of issues, perhaps one of the other things Morenae might want to dwell on besides the question about “what are children to do to cope with this energy constructively?”, is maybe come up with an effective series of thought patterns to enable the processing of information in a “neutral” way.

AC: However, I think most readers of The Leading Edge are pretty much past the barrier of dealing with things only in terms of fear, and people who have read it over a number of years are already at the point where they can pretty much take anything and process it constructively. That will come in the future, since it will be delineated anyway.

Val: You noted that “we are all to become teachers” when the Earth passes from the fourth density to the fifth. Are you able to elaborate on that?

AC: Yes. Essentially, what is supposed to happen is that when we move into fifth density, many of us for some reason are going to find us back where we started with our extraterrestrial origin.

Val: In alien humanoid bodies from whence we came, before we occupied bodies here.

AC: Exactly, and with all the experiences here. According to Morenae, they will all be recognized as teachers and as a group that has gone through a “first ever” transformation.

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More on the Sirians

Val: On a recent Art Bell show, a fellow named Robert Ghostwolf discussed a Native American perspective that “the only two ET races that were attempting to help us were the Sirians and the Andromedans.” I wonder whether you had any comment relative to that?

AC: My understanding is that those from the Sirius A system are trying to be beneficial and assist, because they feel responsibility in that those who colonized Sirius B system were originally from Sirius A. Those from Sirius B have come here and really messed with our heads, and they are the ones who originally gave our government the Montauk technology.

They have the same belief and brain patterns as those from Orion. Those from Tau Ceti are also very much involved. Nobody knows exactly what the Pleaidians are going to do yet, but I will share this with you. Those that live in the system around Alcyon,  some of them cannot be trusted, as they have hidden agendas. Those from Teygeta, I am told, have a very clear objective: to maintain the idea of freedom.

Just because a group is labeled “Pleaidians” doesn’t mean they are here to help us. People confuse that issue. Know them by their works. Those from Cygnus Alpha are here. There is a group from Arcturus that is trying to help. Those from Procyon, who have been liberated, are trying to help. They’re pretty gung ho.

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When the Andromedans Arrive and the Prime Directive

Val: Well, all these species that are trying to help are limited by the Prime Directive.

AC: Yes, they are.

Val: So, one would presume that they are waiting for a certain threshold of a feeling of wishing assistance to manifest itself, and that the threshold of feeling would overrule the Prime Directive and allow things to happen.

AC: Well, they are waiting for 10% of the consciousness on the planet to awaken and ask for some kind of intervention. That may not come until after … they may come shortly after Hale-Bopp gets here, or after the World Government and ET’s try to stage the Second Coming.

Val: Obviously, Moranae and all these people have the ability to travel in time and know everything that is going to happen.

AC: Yes.

Val: So, they must know whether or not, and when, the 10% threshold is reached.

AC: Well, it will be reached no later than August 12, 2003.

Val: So, relative to any world government “games” relative to Jerusalem and the emergence of the Maitreya scenario toward the end of 1996, wouldn’t that paradoxically contribute toward the movement toward a 10% threshold?

AC: Yes, it will. The regressives are going to mastermind their own undoing. But, for some reason they are so desperate to try to maintain control of us, and for some reason they don’t want to let our particular solar system and the other 21 go.

Val: What could that reason possibly be?

AC: I don’t know, but there is a reason. There is more about us, as humans, that I don’t know, than there is that I do know.

Val: Do you have a particular perception of a relationship between HAARP and the Montauk projects?

AC: No, but I know that the Andromedans are very concerned about Montauk, because the humans who are working with this technology are being given specific coordinates in space, and the regressives that are here can use that same technology and leave here. The whole point is to track where they are going, so they do not continue to propagate their belief systems.

Val: If the universe itself is being “jacked up” several frequency levels, then it doesn’t matter where they go to try and get away. They will be stuck in the same boat.

AC: Well, this is true. But, my understanding is that the idea is to limit the damage they do.

Val: Does this have to do with this 357 year period of tyranny which the Andromedans are trying to prevent.

AC: Yes.

Val: Well, obviously they must know that it was prevented if they can travel in time. That sounds like a paradox. They must know that they either were or were not successful. Here is where we start to drift into parallel lines of reality.

AC: Yes.

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Time Travel and Changing Agenda

Val: This comes into the next question that I have. At one point in your talk in Dallas, you indicated that according to the Andromedans, our very next spiritual leap in consciousness will come from the “quiet science of archeology“.

Yet, it was also stated that many of the Dows (Greys) here and presumably the government and other people, are time travelers who “tweak” history. If in fact “new truths” are to proceed from archeology, just how “true” can they be if literally everything is subject to change and manipulation, in terms of “archeology” consisting of “tactically planted evidence”?

AC: Well, look at this idea. When they first started this manipulation, they had a specific agenda. But here in this particular linear year, 1996, their agendas have radically changed. They are faced with “survival” because there is another threat to them.

It is no longer just a matter of controlling Earth humans, but it is also the fact that there are other alien races in our atmosphere and in our solar system that are here to help and to limit the damage. Their main concern now is not so much totally manipulating us, but trying to get what it is they want, or came here to get, and get out of here. Plus, you have this frequency change.

All I had tell you is that the Andromedans had no idea that this sound frequency emanation from the black holes was going to happen. No one foresaw this. It was an instantaneous phenomenon that affected past, present and future all at once.

Val: Now, despite the fact that the Andromedans can travel outside of space-time and have a viewpoint of a probable line of reality, when this sound frequency emanation happened it created an entirely new probable line of reality. They couldn’t have foreseen it.

AC: Yes, and a totally different set of probabilities. I don’t know about all of that.

Val: So, is it at all likely we could all wake up one morning into a completely different reality?

AC: I think it’s possible for some beings, but I don’t think it’s possible for all of us. I think that it is going to be a gradual transformation of consciousness. We are all essentially going to change our minds and create something else, and it will be voluntary and more of a group effort. A part of us will awaken and we will know what it is that we have to do. I don’t think it’s going to change totally overnight, in an instant. They have never said it would happen that way.

Otherwise there would be no need to give us specific dates. It is supposed to be a gradual process. If they are right, then the reason there is third density is because we created it. We have to implode it responsibly in such a way where a certain set of circumstances have to occur so that we can allow those who have chosen not to evolve a chance to create their space to continue to evolve.

Val: From the point of view of the regressives, then, they would be “escaping” something — something like a realization by the mass population of how they have been hoodwinked.

AC: Yes. They would probably have that kind of perspective.

Val: I mean, they can’t go anywhere in this solar system in the third density. Could they go to a different density?

AC: I don’t know that it is an option they now have. I am pretty sure that fourth and fifth density are quarantined, because I know a group of Greys tried to dimensionally skip out, and they were caught — their ship was 21 miles in length. They were going interdimensional when they got caught, so I don’t think that’s an option.

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Parallel Earth Reality Systems and Implosion

Val: There is apparently a parallel Earth that is one or two overtones above this one, that is actively participating in the subjugation of this particular overtone, together with world government factions like the NSA and Montauk technology. So, presumably, with the “uplifting” of the general vibratory resonance on all frequency levels, these other overtones containing regressives would be lifted upward to a point where they would have to cease that line of thought?

AC: That’s a great question. Nobody has ever asked me about this. My understanding is that even as far back as 1931, a parallel reality had been created. It was something that one of the societies in Germany was involved in. Perhaps the Vril. They were playing with something. Anyway, my understanding is that any parallel realities having their origin out of the original timeline are going to implode back into the original timeline.

Val: So, there is a main line of reality into which they would implode.

AC: Basically the line of reality that we ourselves are familiar with.

Val: And the New World Order?

AC: It’s going to manifest itself, but it is going to be very short-lived. The reason it is going to manifest itself is that it is a reality above us.

Val: In another overtone.

AC: Yes. So its going to manifest itself here because that reality will be imploding into this one.

Val: So, one of the keys to the apparent perception, in a linear sense, of when this would happen, would be the coincidence of the collapse of the planetary magnetic field and the increase of the resonant Schumann frequency at a certain point in linear time?

AC: Well, that would be around August 12, 2003. It’s supposed to get really weird here. I mean, like, really weird.

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The Union of American Republics

Val: I once read a book called Illuminati, a white book with a disclaimer in front, that described a social situation where all the “bad guys” were discovered by the public and put into their own concentration camps. The public became enraged and sequestered the government.

AC: Well, I have been given a probability about a scenario just like that, and I have only been given this probability relative to here in the United States, that those that have betrayed us as a people, as a nation, as a race, that are in this country, that we consider to be our own “countrymen”, will be hanged by the neck in front of the capital building. The United States of America will no longer be called the United States of America. It will be called The Union of American Republics.

Val: So, having said that, what exactly is the probability?

AC: At the time I asked, it was over 90%. The people will change everything.

Val: How comforting. Could the phenomenon going on in Texas right now with the secession be the beginning of this process?

AC: Yes. I think so. What is interesting about that is that I have been told just recently that Bahrain was going to offer gold to Texas to back their currency. Now, it will be interesting to see if that actually happens. The regressives want to divide us against each other. That’s the Orion paradigm.

Val: So, along with this 90+% probability, was there a linear timing involved?

AC: The probability then was that this would occur in July 2004.

Val: It is interesting that the apparent NWO implementation date is 2002, one year short of the Andromedan Council expulsion order for all extraterrestrial influence, and that presumably if this ban destined for 2003 takes place, then somewhere between 2002 and 2003 you would have a mass exodus of “bad guys”, both human and otherwise, and that this would permit a total collapse of the regressive regime, allowing the Union of American Republics to form in 2004.

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Intelligence Agencies Living in a Synthetic Reality

AC: Yes, it would. But again I wish to stress that the probability was 90+%, not 100%. You know, Val, the people who are working in the government like the NSA, specific renegade groups in the CIA, the KGB, the Black Guard…. there is a lot that they are not being told. As much as they think they know, they do not know.

I know that they are way in over their heads. They are just being used, but they are still implanted with these extraterrestrial belief systems, these Orion prejudices and illusions of grandeur that they are “the superior race”. I feel sorry for them in a way, because they just don’t have a clue. They have already separated themselves so much from reality, that they are living a completely different reality already.

Moranae has said that the regressives could not be rehabilitated. They are already on a completely different course on a consciousness level.

Val: This is where you get the growth, through intent, of another three dimensional “pocket” in reality in which these people will find themselves until they can get it together.

AC: That’s correct.

Val: And it’s the intent and the resonance that creates. There will be a point after the collapse of the probable realities having their origin in the original line into the original line, where probable realities then can easily be created, and this is the process that allows the formation of these resonant reality structures.

AC: That’s right.

Val: So, there is a null point between the point of probable reality-line implosion and the zero point where things begin to move through fourth into fifth. Is that accurate?

AC: Yes, that sounds accurate.

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Creation of Probable Reality Streams

Val: What have you gleaned about the structure of the creation of probable realities and its relation to original time streams? What does it take to create a probable stream of reality for a planetary culture? Is it a general planetary emotional trauma which creates a diversion in creative reality streams?

AC: My understanding is that it all comes down to intent. If each individual person holds a particular intent which they freely have created, and 10% or more of the planetary population holds that intent at any given time, you literally pull that reality to you.

It all focuses on intent, and that is something that we are all individually responsible for. The cost of freedom is responsibility. We have not paid enough attention to creating reality. We are caught in the idea of just experiencing it.

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Special Children Now Being Born on Earth

Val: It has an interesting parallel to your statement that with the Andromedan culture, education is paramount, whereas with our culture distraction is paramount.

AC: Yes, the children here are learning nothing. They are not learning how to think for themselves. They are being taught what to think, to spit out facts and belief systems, and to consume. This process puts the idea, the intent and the emotion outside of themselves, as opposed to the process of turning that creativity inward to create better selves.

That is something that the Andromedans teach their young, is to better the self. Now, we have some really special children being born in our world, and it’s going to be the kids that are really going to make the major shift on a consciousness level to help us. There are a lot of people who are absolutely not prepared, and they are not going to be able to deal with the new realities.

The kids are, and I have been told that many of the children who are coming to this world now already have a third strand of DNA. They are aware, but they don’t know how to put it into words. It’s kind of like living in a dream. When it all falls into place, they are going to teach us what they know. They are just going to know this stuff.

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Helping the Teens of Today

Val: Getting back to one of the earlier questions, relative to young people not knowing what to do with the energy released by changes in the DNA structure, is it possible for you to glean, even on a superficial level, what these teens should do until Moranae gives a more definitive answer?

AC: I would say that these kids need to be able to have groups that they can go to and just talk about what they see, what they dream about and what they feel. Because it could be that a lot of these kids feel something totally different than what it is they’re being told is reality here.

Val: Which would be about par, really.

AC: Yes, I think on some level we’ve all been through that at one point. The kids today are very different — especially those that have the third strand. They know more than us, but a space has to be created to allow them to express it and not have it be judged. Just because we don’t understand it doesn’t mean it’s wrong. It just means we don’t understand it.

Val: A rose is a rose.

AC: Right. That’s my only guess. Teens are committing suicide at an alarming rate.

Val: And elderly people as well.

AC: Right. Everybody wants to get out of here, and that’s a scary thought.

Val: In your understanding, with the change in frequency and density level, for those people who end up taking that route to get out of here, what happens to them?

AC: I don’t know. I will ask the question. I know there is no “hell”. They don’t burn or fry for that act. That is not a reality. I don’t know if they go to a way-station and get healed and then go someplace else, or come back. I don’t know.

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Thoughts on Upcoming Earth Changes

Val: Earth changes are something people are interested in, presumably to give them something to do while they are waiting for other things to happen….is there any perspective relative to any specificity about this?

AC: Well, I know that they could start at any time. Both coasts will be in jeopardy.

Val: We are about 50 miles from Mount Rainier here.

AC: You might find yourself moving inland.

Val: We’ll be up to our ash in ash.

AC: I think it will be a lot higher than that, depending on how tall you are. You know, it’s the earth reacting to the frequency shifting and to the consciousness. She is literally stuck between a rock and a hard place. She wants to go up, but at the same time she doesn’t want to destroy us in the process. I am amazed at the intensity of intention and attention to detail we have here.

Val: The Germans would be proud. Attention to detail.

AC: Yes, but we’ve lost the essence with our focus on the detail.

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The Andromedan Concept of the Creator

Val: How to the Andromedans view the concept of the creator?

AC: Their conception of God is that they really don’t know what it is. Even those on 11th density going through this shift to 12th don’t know. They are having a hard time explaining what is happening to them because their current mode of communication doesn’t explain the experience they have just gone through. The Andromedans have always referred to it as the Isness, which is an essence that holds everything together.

Val: And it is coincident with love as a frequency.

AC: Yes it is, and this whole space was created in a space of love. It is the primal creative force. The Andromedans really love us, and I think their interaction with our planet has caused a shift within them. I know that Moranae and Vissaeus have both become more emotional and expressive, and I think that this is rubbing off on all the other races that are here helping.

Val: Of course, emotion is the basis for creation.

AC: Yes it is, but a lot of the races are very technical, and we are in our infancy when it comes to that. Yet, look at what we have created without the technology that they have. I have before that the Andromedans are extremely awed by our ability to create things. You know, when you leave the house how everything stays there – it doesn’t dematerialize. Our intent to create. All the detail in life. They are in awe of this. Third density is like jello to those above.

Val: I guess if I were to ask the Andromedans anything at this point, in the spirit of things that are to take place on this planet, it would be what they could offer to all of us as guidelines in order to assist the population through these changes, based on their knowledge of what is to come. I trust they will do this.

AC: Yes.

Val: I have heard that physiological life span in shorter in space. Is this at all accurate in your understanding?

AC: No.

Val: I suppose it depends on the resonant frequency at which you exist.

AC: There you go.

Val: On a recent Art Bell program, when the astronauts were being interviewed, one of them revealed that to him, space looked shiny like patent leather shoes. I found that to be interesting. Can you see the stars in space?

AC: That’s a good question. If you were in a space that contained no atmosphere, it would be mostly black. Of course, some of the stars we see in space from the earth no longer exist, since the light takes so long to reach us. As far as their comment on shiny nature of space, that is not something I have experienced. That would almost suggest a holograph.

Val: Oh no! As if they weren’t in enough trouble already in the “space program.”

AC: That would mean that the “shinyness” is bouncing from inside.

Val: Do you have anything else in mind that you would like to say to everyone at this point?

AC: I would like to just stress this, I think. The singular most important thing I would like to stress to people, from the point of all I have learned and all that I still need to learn, is that the bottom line is that we should not turn on each other. We all created this and are continuing to create this.



Male-Female Relationships in Zenetaen Society

Val: How would you define and/or characterize the relationship between males and females in the Zenetaen society?

Alex: How would I characterize it? Now, understand that what I am giving you is only my impression from watching them interact when I was with them continuously for a period of three months. I would say that they are equal, and that they are treated as equals.

I experienced a moment where there was a type of celebration in which one of their women, who I believe was about 470 years old, was leaving her assignment as part of an agricultural science group that developed new types of fruit and things for them to eat, because she wanted to become pregnant and raise a child.

There was a celebration. Not all of the women do this, of course. Many of them decide to remain doing what they are doing in the position of creativity they are in, in terms of a “job” or “career”.

Val: In terms of the concept of a “relationship”, at least on the highest human level that you can conceive of….

Alex: I can tell you this. The men totally honor their women. If a group of four or more women are walking together down a hallway, men will stop and move to the side and slightly bow their heads as a greetings. Again, there may be communication going on, like “hello” or “how are you?”, but I didn’t hear it because they are telepathic and nothing was specifically directed to me.

The only real sounds I heard were associated with their music, and Morenae asking me questions, wanting to know how I felt about certain things. The very first time I walked in, we left the smaller craft which was in some type of a hangar and we walked through what I could describe as a “liquid type of light”. There was some resistance, and as you walk through it you could feel a “wetness” on your face.

The length of this material was about four or five feet. You could breathe in it. It was like a “liquid” but it wasn’t. When you got to the other end of it, you were in this long hallway and you were totally dry. He told me that this was a process they used to disinfect all disease or anything they might have carried with them from where they had been.

Val: In terms of the idea of relationships, at least as we consider them, all the ideas that involve co-dependency and this don’t exist in their society, I presume.

Alex: I have never seen anything like that.

Val: Do men and women walk around in pairs?

Alex: Yes, they do.

Val: Visually, then, there is just a picture of harmonious existence.

Alex: In my perception, that’s exactly right. To be perfectly honest with you, Val, I did not see any evidence of dysfunction whatsoever. In fact, it was one of the most positive experiences that I have ever had.

Val: Have the Zenetaens ever been under a control system in their history to where they were “under the gun” from another race or species? Have their ever been, to your knowledge, critical periods in the development of their civilization. If so, how could these be characterized?

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More on the history of the Zenetaen Civilization

Alex: Let me answer that question this way. I have that question written down to ask them, because you gave me a question like that before to ask them. But, they did tell me that there was a time when they first left the Lyrae system, after about 21 generations had gone by, where they found themselves hiding. Again, I don’t know all the details, but they were being hunted by another race. They were living in hollowed-out asteroids and moons. They were moving all the time.

Val: This is the whole Zenetaen civilization.

Alex: That’s correct, and I do not know how many there were. They were basically living on craft and having to move around all the time, looking for a place that was safe. Well, there were beings from the Casseopian system that helped them, and apparently at that point in time the Zenetaens were under a kind of imposed dictatorship, because they were in survival mode and one person took control of their civilization.

I can remember Morenae saying that it was imperative that they receive help, because they may not have evolved out of that, had it gone on any longer. What happened was that they were taken to two solar systems in the Andromedan galaxy.

We know them as “star 42” and “star 44”. Star 42 is Zenetae, which is now their star system. Star 44 is Tishtae. Star 42 has 27 planets around the binary stars. Star 44 has nine planets, but all of the planets are equal to or greater than the size of Jupiter. They at this point were all terraformed.

Val: These beings from the Casseopian system interacted with them approximately how long ago in our terms?

Alex: About 2.5 million years ago, but perhaps a little longer.

Val: Has the Zenetaen skin color always been blue?

Alex: No. It was red at one time. Their original forefathers were red-skinned, and I am told that the Lyraens and Vegans were red-skinned at that time.

Val: How did the progression begin to where the skin color changed to blue?

Alex: Apparently it had to do with a pigmentation change caused by the ingestion of certain minerals

Val: Copper based minerals.

Alex: It was in the food and everything they ate, and the double sun had an effect on this too. You have to remember something here. We are talking about fifth density beings, not third density, so you have the additional three color spectrums. I always try to take that into account when comparing them to us. They do literally live in another frequency.

Val: So, were they ever in third density?

Alex: I am not sure about that.

Val: There seems to be a prevalent assumption among humans that things “start” at a level of third density existence. But, that’s a misnomer, because…

Alex: No all the races have been or are third density.

Val: So, since the period approximately 2.5 million years go, do you have any idea of how their civilization has grown and changed since then?

Alex: No, I don’t know. All I know is where they are now because that’s the only way I know them. That would be a question I would have to ask them.

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General Queries on Submitted Questions

Val: Now, at one point in time I had asked you whether the Zenetaens were aware of another group from the Andromedan system called the Inextrians, and you indicated that this group was from a star called Mirach.

Alex: Yes, Mirach is the central sun for that system. There are, if I remember this correctly, 919 other suns that revolve around Mirach, including stars we don’t even see.

Val: Stars that exist on other frequency levels.

Alex: That’s correct. I believe approximately 130 of those 919 suns have inhabited planetary systems. The Inextrians come from one of those 130. There are two other groups from that group of 130 that have been here to Earth before.

Val: How about the civilization from Koldas, the Koldasians that were involved in the South African case around 1960. Apparently, according to a question I received from Chicago, the Koldasians were involved in something called “Operation Fireball” which parallels some of the things going on today that are connected to the HAARP program, under which methane is deliberately being injected into Earths atmosphere and an attempt is being made to ignite it.

Alex: They’re going to “light up” the atmosphere and burn it. That is a probability.

Val: It makes you wonder how many people in the Department of the Navy, E-Systems and Raytheon are on Prozac.

Alex: Let me put it this way, getting back to the subject of the Koldasians. My experience with the Zenetaens, as far as their description of other races is concerned, is that they do not give me a “name”, per se, unless they had an Earth name that we would recognize or know. But, if there was no name, they would always use a symbol.

Now, I do not know that any of the symbols that I have written down apply to what you call the Kodasians, as they know them. I simply don’t know that. They have always referred to the other races by referring to the name of the main star concerned with their location. I don’t know the name Koldasians or Koldas.

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Giza Triangular Ratios Related to the Orion Group

Mathematical Sequences, Synchronicity and Subjective Reality Creation

Val: Now, we have reviewed some of these questions which originated in Chicago and New York, and some of them you indicated that you had no information about, so we’ll skip those and move on.

Now, one question concerned the communication via archetypal holographs and symbols and the meaning gleaned by the Zenetaens relative to the 9:11 and 7:11 height-to-base ratios embodied in the Giza pyramid, which you indicated had to do with the Orion group, and that the significance holographically of the triangle or triad symbol was concerned with Orion.

Alex: Yes. Now, they have a great respect for mathematics and numbers. Morenae has always said that they always pay attention to what we know as “numbers”. They attend to the physics of everything, including tones, sounds and numerical sequences.

He has always told me that numbers are maps, and one of the things that we personally do now in our lives is that we watch that numerical sequences that come up in our lives. It seems that as long as we recognize specific numbers that come up in things that we are doing, like in phone numbers, bills, addresses, license plates, then we know we’re on the right track.

Val: Just by the fact that certain mathematical sequences, such as triplets (111, 222, 333, etc) are noticed….

Alex: Exactly, and everyone resonates to a tone or frequency. If you “stay within the path of your tone” then you are in effect “moving along your frequency.”.

Val: Well, then, “moving along one’s frequency” would imply more consistent perception of synchronicity, which is historically connected with the more consistent perception of numerical sequences and number sets.

Alex: Yes. These sequences are in effect telling you that you are staying in consistency.

Val: This relates to the Law of Consistency that the Zenetaens refer to. Are there other telltale signs relative to adherence to consistency other than the more frequent perception of numerical sequences?

Alex: I would think so. Other factors are the degree of awareness of your own thoughts and what is going on around you. I think it’s just overall perception of who one is. But as far as trying to create and predict one’s future, and I did not specifically learn this from Morenae or Vissaeus, when I start to create something and come up with an idea, what I do is apply a numerical set of numbers to that creation.

Then, when I see those numbers become evident around me, I will immediately associate whatever is going on in my life with that creation. I then move toward that numerical sequence or number.

Val: How do you assign a number, numbers or numerical sequences to a specific idea? Can you give an example?

Alex: At one time there was a very big thing that was coming into our lives, and we really wanted to create it. In my mind, when I was meditating on it, creating it and seeing the outcome of it, I assigned numbers 18, 19, 20, 21 and 22 to the creation. Any one of those numbers.

Val: Why those numbers?

Alex: I don’t know why. It is something that I just started doing in 1985 when they came back.

Val: So, in effect, what you have discovered is that when numbers that you intuitively assign to a certain process or creation appear around you, that the perception of these numbers lends itself to the support of the creation you are manifesting?

Alex: Yes, and I absolutely pay attention to everything that is going on. When this happens, I will stop whatever I am doing in the moment and reflect on what is going on in my life, so that I don’t miss an opportunity to move in the right direction towards that creation. Now, I don’t know if this process is something they gave me in terms of a telepathic communication and it just became part of the process within me, but the Zenetaens follow number-values, totally, and consider them to be “maps.”

Val: Maps leading toward what? Toward understanding of the process of creation and manifestation?

Alex: I think so, yes. Your own creations.

Val: Interesting. Now, here’s another question. Has this race from Andromeda ever give a description, scientific or other wise, of Hale-Bopp?

Alex: Everything I know about Hale-Bopp I have already put out there, and I have more questions about Hale-Bopp to ask them that are at the top of the list. I wish I had something new to tell you.

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More on the Draconian Civilization

Val: Another question that has been put to me to ask you is the following. If withholding love leads a race to regression and devolution, due to the absence of expressed emotion, then why is it that the Alpha Draconians are two billion years old and have not yet become extinct? Second, what is the average life expectancy of the Draco?

Alex: The average life span of the Draconians extends from 1,800 to 4,100 years of age. The ones that live as long as 4,100 years are the royal line of the Draconians.

Val: The winged Ciakars.

Alex: Yes, because their genetics have been kept totally intact. Now, as far as them being regressive, yes they are, but what is interesting, Val, is that they are not regressive with respect to their own people, only against other races. So, what you’ve got is that you have this race of beings that are very regressive toward other races other than their own.

Val: It sounds like a super-model of imperialism.

Alex: They don’t turn on their own people and have continued to evolve within their own race.

Val: One of the recent themes in orthodox media, especially movies, is that reptilian species have a penchant for pituitary and adrenal type substances, and that they try and get these substances any way they can, even to the extent of ripping somebody’s brain out of their head in order to acquire these hormones.

Alex: Well, these hormones, in essence, hold emotion. The brain and spinal fluids hold emotion. It is what nourishes the nervous system and the brain.

Val: So, is this media portrayal have any accuracy at all? Do reptilian humanoids have to supplement their own internal production of adrenal hormones from outside sources? If so, what does this contribute to them physiologically? If this process does exist, as has been inferred before, is it a function of a need or just as cosmic joyride for them?

Alex: Well, they don’t make the same type of spinal fluid as humans do. As far as their physical needs, I don’t know. I do know that they get a “rush” from hormones from other species that have been in terror. For example, if they capture a human being, they will not usually kill the person right away. What they usually do is terrify them as much as possible in order to jack up the level of emotion and hormones. Then, when they consume the physical body of that psychologically terrorized being, not only are they feeding themselves but the hormones impart a physiological and psychological “rush” which they enjoy. It’s essentially a “drug high” for them.

Val: So, they couldn’t use hormones from animals, because they don’t have the emotional range of embodied spiritual entities…

Alex. Cattle don’t have the extremes of emotions we have. They do have emotions, but the more extreme the emotions, the “higher the high” when the substances generated are consumed by the reptilians.

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Hale-Bopp Draconians Might Visit The United States First

(Because The U.S. Military Will Attack Perceived Aggressors)

Val: We had discussed before the subject of the Hale-Bopp complex in terms of the assessment that part of the complex consisted of “protocol ships” from the Orion Group. Relative to this planet, do you have any information on probabilities of where they will come first?

Alex: They will come to the United States first.

Val: Why?

Alex: Because our military will challenge and attack them. So, they will be here first, and then move to Russia. It’s a foregone conclusion that they will be here first.

Val: So, again, another aspect of this submitted question is: what should one do when encountering these beings from Alpha Draconis? Are there details on precise protocols as you gave relative to peaceful beings?

Alex: I have a protocol for the Alpha Draconians. Run away.

Val: That’s pretty precise.

Alex: That’s all I know, is to stay away from them. There is literally no way to challenge them. It’s suicide, to be perfectly honest with you. If they are in the mode where they want to do you harm, it’s going to happen. The best thing is to avoid them at all costs. You have to remember, Val, that the Alpha Draconians, the Ciakar in particular, if they come down here, are going to come out of their huge craft and they are going to look like dinosaurs.

Val: Do you consider embarkation by reptoids a part of the Hale-Bopp scenario?

Alex: I don’t believe that there are any Ciakar on Hale-Bopp.

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Who’s Staffing the Hale-Bopp Complex?

Val: What or whom do you feel is on Hale-Bopp?

Alex: I think they are staffed by warrior-class reptilian, Draconians that are seven to ten feet tall that have the stubby tail. They are skinnier than the others and considered the warrior class of the reptilian hierarchy.

Val: Why do you feel that Sirius B humanoids and the Alpha Draconians are the ones associated with Hale-Bopp?

Alex: The Andromedans have said that Hale-Bopp is a protocol ship from the Orion Group, and that it contains reptilians in cryogenic stasis.

Val: How exciting…

Alex: They are waking up as we speak, I’m sure.

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The Hale-Bopp Complex as an Incredible Control Scenario

Val: There was one aspect of the Sheldon Nidle paradigm which is plausible and perhaps the case, and that is that radio frequency messages from the Hale-Bopp complex have been received by governments, and I would guess this is on your “ask list” to try and confirm that with the Andromedans. I was informed that the messages contained both a greeting, of sorts, and a warning.

The warning said essentially, “do not bother to try and attack us with your thousand-year-old weapons or we will obliterate you.” Now, with the U.S. military setting up hundreds of these little complexes in the boondocks around the United States with missiles and high-tech electronic equipment, obviously ready to shoot something down from above, this is a little worrying.

Alex: Yes, it is. At this point I cannot confirm that this is true. I will say this, however. If you were informed correctly about the content of the message received by the governments, then we are looking at an incredible control mechanism on its way here.

Val: Well, one would presume a control drama with the Draconians on the way.

Alex: Yes, it would be true with any of the regressive groups. From what Morenae has said, that is exactly what these groups do. They find a planet inhabited by a race less evolved and technically competent, and they conquer it by whatever means. One of the first things they do is “put it down”. They try and make you feel inferior.

Val: I guess at this point an overall holistic question relative to this whole Hale-Bopp scenario would be, why now?

Alex: I have no idea.

Val: Considering the assumed dimensional type shifting, would it be logical to assume that someone desiring to assume control would try it now, rather than wait until later when it might not be possible? Could it be that they are fully aware of the Andromedan Council edict of “all ET’s out” by 2003 and are ignoring it?

Alex: Yes, I believe they are aware of it and are ignoring it, because both Morenae and Vissaeus have both mentioned about sitting down at the Council with representatives from the Orion Group and Sirius B. I am not sure the Draconians were there, but I am sure they know about the edict.

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Hale-Bopp Draconians Possibly a Rogue Group

Val: So, with reference to Hale-Bopp, we are in essence talking about a rogue group of reptilians.

Alex: Yes, I would think, or it is a decision by an entire race of reptilians to act independently. No one speaks for the Draconians. No one. They could also be coming here and actually be on their way to somewhere else.

Val: Then, in that case, we would be just assuming that they would be impacting the civilization here because they are coming in this direction.

Alex: Well, they may come and attempt to do their “thing” and move on to some other part of the sector to continue doing what they’re doing. They are probably not coming in this direction solely to “get us”. There is a much bigger picture here that is all about control of this sector of space. There are 21 other solar systems in this sector with planets who have civilizations in basically the same boat we are in here on Earth. So, we are part of whatever it is but it is not just about us.

Val: Well, if this rogue group comes in here and takes marginal notice of the fact that there are a dozen or so thousand-mile-wide Andromedan Council ships parked in this solar system, like they are at present…

Alex: It could be that they will just fly by and not attempt anything. Between you and me, that’s truly what my heart wants.

Val: Well, this rogue group would potentially be in contact with reputed groups that are here and would know that they are under the gun and at an impasse with the military industrial complex which has presumably been holding them off while trying to acquire technology for a defense…?

Alex: I think the regressives know exactly where we are on a technical level, and I don’t they are concerned about all of that in any way. But, they would be concerned with other races in the solar system, like the Andromedan Council, who are sitting there and projecting the message “leave Earth alone”.

The other factor is that those reptoids inside the Earth would probably have the chance to leave here. I don’t know how that will happen, but I think they will have an opportunity to leave here voluntarily, and if the Hale-Bopp regressives come in here and try to be aggressive with us, I think their chance of leaving here peacefully, in the face of the Andromedans, would be completely over with.

Val: In other words, the rogue reptilians would be challenged by the Andromedan Council fleet now in the solar system and all we might see is a big light showin the sky as they battle it out.

Alex: Right. I would not at all be surprised by that. That kind of scenario has been foretold by many individuals, even Apolloneus of Tyana, who spoke of “wars in heaven” in 79 AD. The proverbial ‘war in heaven’.

Val: Do you view the alignment of planets in May 2000 has having any effect on this system?

Alex: They have only made reference to how much of a pole shift we would have.

Val: So, the Andromedans have never mentioned any significance relative to 5/5/2000 or any planetary alignments at any specific timing?

Alex: No.

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Our Main Sun Already Beginning Pole Shift

Val: Now, we were talking about HAARP at one particular time and the situation with the weather patterns, and you mentioned that part of the collective problem with weather patterns is that both the magnetic poles of the earth are shifting and that also the poles on the main sun are beginning to shift.

Alex: Yes, it is.

Val: If this in fact is the case, is it flipping from top-down or bottom-up?

Alex: If you are looking at the sun in terms of North-South-East-West, what you are seeing is that the South is moving Westerly. The South is rising up and the North is going East. It’s rolling towards us, but at an angle, and the magnetic field of the Earth, and in fact all the planets in the solar system, are responding to this process.

Val: We have a second smaller sun that is behind the main sun that we normally see. Is the shifting of the main sun affecting the other one?

Alex: I don’t know.

Val: That might be a question to go on the list.

Alex: I know the second sun is denser, heavier and not as hollow as the sun we see.

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The Hale-Bopp Companion

Val: Another question which was submitted is as follows: In view of the probable scenarios forthcoming in February-March 1997 and the arrival of Hale-Bopp, if in fact the companion to HB is larger in mass than Earth, will that create mass gravitational effects on Earth with geological consequences?

Alex: No, it would not, because it is a craft, not a planet. It generates and controls its own force field, and the extent of it, from within. It is different than when you are dealing with a solid mass. It has an energy field which can be manipulated. It is totally controlled. The only way a ship of that size could cause a problem is if they specifically wanted it to cause a problem.

Val: Now, when we are looking at the HB complex, I was informed by a friend who actually went out there out-of-body and looked at it, and he said that he saw a long tubelike propulsion unit with four pie-shaped components, presumably the occupied areas, attached to it. If you looked at it from the end it would seem to be a cross-shape in the middle of a circle. What about the companion?

Alex: All I know about the companion is that it came out of a star system in the constellation Cancer. That’s all I know, but if you remember when I first started talking about Hale-Bopp in 1995, the Andromedans had said that another craft was on its way from the constellation Cancer and would join it. That was two years ago, and here it is.

Val: Has there ever been any kind of discussion that involves what part of the HB structure will go where when it comes into this system?

Alex: The only thing that Morenae has said specifically was that two of the three “moons” in the tail of HB, once it passed us, would go into an orbit around Mercury. He then said, “then your governments will need to tell you that they are here.”

Val: Why? Nobody here can see Mercury anyway. Why would the government feel a compelling need to tell the public about this?

Alex: I don’t know. Morenae did not give me any more than that, and maybe that was for my safety, or maybe it was because the information would tip-off others to the plans of the Andromedans. So, I don’t know why, and I don’t know if that has changed or not.

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Potential Hale-Bopp Tail Debris Impact on Earth

Val: Another question that was submitted to me is as follows:

“There is a rumor that the northern hemisphere may be actually impacted by some sort of projectiles coming from HB. Is that correct, and if so, what can we do to protect ourselves. Is that why the military has built so many underground facilities?”

Alex: Well, my understanding is that it won’t be projectiles, as we understand it, but simply debris from its “tail” that may impinge on the planet, because it is dragging along some natural material along with it. It is a small probability. The military has build the underground bases primarily with the thought of a pole-shift in mind.

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An Andromedan View of the Soul

Val: Another submitted question:

“If souls can be removed from humans in about four seconds, then what is the true nature of Soul/Spirit and what we call God?”

Alex: You know, that’s a good question, and I don’t know that I know the answer, but I will tell you this. Once I asked Vissaeus about what they teach their children about the concept of Soul and true essence, and this was the response he gave me about that:

“We are perceivers. We are an awareness. We are not objects and we have no solidity. We are boundless. The world of objects and solidity is a way for making our passage through our densities convenient. It is only a description that was created to help us. We forget that the description is only a description and thus, we have learned not to entrap the totality of ourselves in a vicious circle of physicality from which few rarely emerge in a lifetime.”

Val: There’s one last submitted question here:

“Is there any cosmic intelligence that monitors and keeps balance in the Universe, or are we destined to be controlled by the bigger guy with bigger and better technology.”

Well, I can answer this one. The cosmic intelligence this person is talking about is in fact the Universe itself which is self-reflective in nature, self-balancing, homeostatic and itself conscious. The second part of the question is unfortunately from the Darwinian perspective, in that it presupposes an ongoing situation preoccupied with technology, when in fact technology is always supplanted by consciousness itself. Would you say those are fair and accurate answers?

Alex: Yes. In addition, during the earlier stages of development, control by technology is only possible if we allow it to happen.

Val: Technology itself is a limited material scenario and application of manifested creation which effectively replaces the efficient application of consciousness.

Alex: I wanted to share something else I have on the brain from Vissaeus: “The brain does not create consciousness, but rather it is consciousness that creates the appearance of the brain, matter, space and time as all things are being interpreted as a physical reality.”

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The Nature of Nibiru

Val: Here’s another question that was submitted to me:

“You mentioned that the Lemurians and Atlanteans were extraterrestrials and you also mentioned Nibiru. Tell us about Nibiru and its role and relationship to us in this solar system.”

Alex: This is what I have been told about who those connected with Nibiru are. A very long time ago, colonies on Sirius B and the Orion Group were having trouble with each other. In order to bring peace, there was a marriage between two members of each group.

The woman came from the Orion Group, where the hierarchy includes a queen – the matriarchal paradigm. The male was from Sirius B. Both members were considered royalty of their respective line. When these two came together in marriage, their offspring had the genetics from both lines.

Because of these genetics, the new race that was created was given the name “Nibiru“, which I am told by Morenae in the Orion tongue means “divided amongst two”. This is who they literally are – a cross between those from Sirius B and a race from the Orion system. They formed a new “tribe” which has continued to flourish for at least hundreds of thousands of years. So, they are a tribe that has become a race.

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Getting Down to Brass Tacks

Val: In terms of everything that is going on right now, here on January 12, 1997, and all the scenarios, possibilities, probabilities, potentials, the Andromedans hanging out in the solar system, the political situation the way it is, the Hale-Bopp complex on its way, what is your gut intuitive feeling about the progression of upcoming events. I mean, we probably have dozens of scenarios at this point, in addition to the various probabilities those from the Andromedan system have presented. What about the next 12 months?

Alex: I do. I think that the end result is that everyone on the planet, especially here in the United States, will be re-evaluating the idea of self-sufficiency. I really see that people will finally realize that we have to learn to live together and help each other. Now, how do I see us getting there? I think that what is going to be happening very very soon is that there will be severe racial problems in this country.

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Control Factions to Synthesize “Racial Problems” to Distract Population

Val: And these “racial problems” will be deliberately instigated by factions within the government of the United States in order to produce instability, in order to encourage the population to give up freedom for control.

Alex: Absolutely, because the idea of “racial problems” will mask all their other transgressions and screw-ups, basically.

Val: All the drug dealing, etc.

Alex: Of course. You can blame it on somebody else or just create a scenario that gets everybody’s attention away from what is really going on behind the scenes. They are very good at this. I think that is going to happen. I also see a very severe “correction” in the stock market, and I know that they have predicted food shortages, but I think they were off by a year. I think its going to be this summer in 1997. I really do. What I really feel at the same time, Val, is that a lot of people are going to be dealing with betrayal.

Val: In terms of realizing how factions within the government have betrayed the nation for so many years?

Alex: Yes. I think that the people are going to realize that they have really placed their faith in the wrong place for a long time, and I think the people are going to be overwhelmed with how to get out of it and fix it. You know, when you add into this the paradigms of extraterrestrials and the truth about most of the world’s religions being archaic dogmatic systems created by a priesthood…

Val: It’s one hell of a wakeup call.

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The Year of the Turning Point: 1998

Alex: Yes. It’s going to be wild. I think by this time in 1998, January 1998, we are either going to be coming together as a group of people, or we are going to be preparing for civil war, and I just don’t know which way it is going to go yet.

Val: Is there a possibility that an internal civil war would be prevented by an outside party?

Alex: I don’t think so.

Val: Since the hierarchy on this planet is ultimately controlled by reptilian factions, would all the efforts toward increasing racial tensions be geared and controlled in order to make the prospect of Draconia takeover easier?

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Prejudice and Racist Perspectives Learned from Extraterrestrial Source

Alex: Well, we’re pretty much in chaos already without needing any additional help getting there. Most people I know are living in chaos. They have no idea what they are doing or who they are. They think they’re the person on their “drivers license”, so I think that I think that the planet is already in the space of severe vulnerability, but here’s the thing.

Let’s take that same scenario. If you yourself wanted to conquer a race, or you wanted to prove to other races out there that humans are not worth bothering with, you would stir up the pot as much as you could and get the population to war against itself. Let’s face it, prejudice is an extraterrestrial perspective.

Val: Do you mean that literally?

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Attempt To Use Our Own Free Will Against Our Interests

Alex: They said that we on earth have learned the concept of prejudice from the Orion Group who were here. When they were here, we watched how they treated other races and groups. So, we have just propagated that.

The bottom line is, if they do create severe racial tension on this planet… may hear about it on the news or read it in the newspaper, and this is just an example, but in order for you to go out and actually harm another soul, you have to consciously make that decision.

I think what they are going to try to do is use our free will against us. In other words, they are going to try and convince us that this is what we need to do, and instead of people separating themselves from that idea, they are going to buy into it and try to manipulate the situation so it will appear to other benevolent groups that might want to help us that we are not worth helping.

Val: But, I would think that the Andromedans and other peaceful groups would know that the regressives would try this tactic…

Alex: Well, they probably will know it. I know they know that, but the fact of the matter is, if we move down that path and we don’t ask for help, they will not intervene.

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Opening the “Can of Worms”: Analysis of Concept of “Request for Help”

Val: Well, the idea of “asking for help” opens up an entirely new can of worms.

Alex: Well, I know.

Val: Personally, I don’t see it happening, because I don’t see enough of whomever getting it together to make a difference. I think the fact that our race has been betrayed by others both inside and outside our race is known by the Andromedans and other beneficent races.

And, the Andromedans and other races in the Andromedan Council know that this planet has been manipulated psychologically, chemically, biologically and otherwise to the point where the common neurological functioning of the human brain in the general population is so dysfunctional that a common consensus is not possible with a large number of people at this time in a direction of spiritual intent that would allow assistance to manifest itself.

Now, there is no possible way the Andromedans or anyone else out there could not know how deliberately messed up the human brain has become and how the possibility of general intent has been thwarted. My question is, in knowing that, why would they then say, “we’ll come and help you if you ask us,” when they fully know that we cannot do that as a population?

Alex: Well, I don’t know that they know we can’t ask.

Val: They know our whole history holographically about all the things that have been going on here with the perversion of the human neurology and the historical interference with the capabilities of the population in terms of intent. For example, the process of water fluoridation interferes with the hippocampus, which in turn interferes with the ability to challenge tyranny.

This is why the Germans and the Soviets used fluorides, and it is why the U.S. is one of the most heavily fluoridated countries on the planet. Now, the Andromedans know that this is going on, and that’s just the tip of the neurological iceberg. So, in knowing that, they would still say, “we’ll help you if you ask us?” I find this interesting, and somebody has to ask this question. There must be a missing piece here somewhere in something they are not saying.

Alex: Well, I don’t know what it is.

Val: The whole question is just a logical question to me.

Alex: I can’t defend them, and I don’t know any more than that. This has been their message.

Val: I’m not even asking for a defense of the Andromedan perspective. I’m exploring the logic of the situation and how you feel about the possibility that somewhere in there they must know about all of this, that the only option left for them, if they in fact do want to help, is direct intervention, knowing full well that a manipulated population cannot collectively ask for assistance.

Alex: Well, here’s the thing, and this is my own opinion…

Val: That’s what I’m asking for…

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Andromedan Council Will Intervene: Collective Intent is Still Vital

Alex: Ok. Here’s the thing. My gut instinct is, from all of the interest they have had and the time that they have spent trying to figure out who we are, is that they will directly intervene, but they are not going to come right out and tell us that they are. They need at least some of us to take responsibility in the asking. Do you follow what I’m saying?

Val: Yes.

Alex: For example, if you were in trouble and you knew that I was going to come and help you, no matter what happened…

Val: There might be a tendency to sit on your butt and do nothing.

Alex: Right. Would you change your behavior any?

Val: Probably.

Alex: Well, most people on this planet wouldn’t. How many people know that the CIA is involved in drug trafficking, for example.

Val: The number of people who are eclectic enough to really understand what is going on here on this planet is very small, far below the morphogenetic field threshold that would magnify intent to an acceptable level.

Nevertheless, if the general betrayal of those in power becomes magnified to a large enough extent, then the consciousness of the general population would be magnified to some extent, but the trick is to get the population not to turn on itself. That’s the trick, and I would like to know how we’re going to pull that off. Now, correct me if I’m in error, but I am hearing you say that the Andromedan Council is going to intervene…

Alex: Actually, Val, they already have to some extent.

Val: And they will continue to do so.

Alex: Yes.

Val: What you then said is that the Andromedans would like to perceive at least an effort on our part, to form some general intent in the direction of requesting assistance, over and above the fact that they are in essence providing assistance anyway. In terms of “asking for assistance”, is it a thing like standing in the back yard and looking up and the sky and saying “Andromedans, please help us”?

There is a saying that “when you pray you talk to God, but when God talks back you’re considered schizophrenic”. It was comedian Lilly Tomlin who said that. I guess at this juncture, the question would be, if this is what the Andromedan Council would like to see, some sort of minimal demonstration of intent, how would that intent best be assured of manifestation considering what we have to play with here?

Alex: They would need to see that intent expressed in the form of mutual respect for each other.

Val: So, in other words if they perceive, on whatever sensory format they’re using, that a certain percentage of people are getting their inter-relational act together, then they will assume that in fact it is equal to the intent of the entire planet to move in that direction?

Alex: Yes.

Val: Could it already be at that point now, or almost to that point?

Alex: Yes. I believe it is almost to that point. It is why they are here now in the first place. But, they are not telling me the degree to which the intent has reached this point. But, I believe its almost there. I think it was Vissaeus who said, “It is imperative to have mutual respect for a healed planet.” They use words so carefully. The word “imperative” tells me that it is an absolute.

Val: I am addressing these questions now in this way and in this manner because everyone who has read all this material and listened to your exposition of the Andromedan perspective, as well as parallel paradigms, have these kind of questions raging in their minds. Somebody has to ask them, and that’s why I have.

Alex: That’s fine. I’m Ok with it.

Val: The question of the logic of what appear to be all-knowing people asking for people to ask for help who cannot ask for help might not have occurred to some people, but it occurred to me, and I felt it needed asking – and an answer.

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Concept of the “Rapture” Psychologically Dysfunctional

Alex: There was a time back in 1986, just before I left Malibu, where I was having a talk with the Andromedans about religions, and I remember specifically that Vissaeus was very curious about religions. I was on that particular day picking on Christianity a little bit, and I had told him that there were a lot of people on Earth waiting to be “raptured”.

He didn’t understand what the word meant, and I explained that it meant the process of being caught up and taken to heaven. I remember that he looked at me, and asked, “where is this heaven supposed to be?”, and I said, “it’s a place where there are angels, and God is sitting on the throne”, you know, the classical definition of what heaven is supposed to be like, and he just looked at me and asked, “many are waiting for this to occur?”.

I said, “yes”. He then said, “this is extremely dysfunctional.”

Val: He always has a way with words…

Alex: For all I know, he may have taken that little bit of information back to the Council and…. well, they have some protocols that have to be met.

Val: What are you getting at, exactly?

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Hypothetical Events Changing Planetary Consciousness

Alex: Maybe the intervention that is occurring is being done in such a way that it satisfies all of the concerns of those in the Andromedan Council, also giving us the highest probability of coming to self-awareness as quickly as possible on our own.

Val: Would you care to give a hypothetical example or scenario, based on what you just said?

Alex: Let’s say that Neil Armstrong went on national television and revealed that there were other races on the moon when the Apollo astronauts went there, hypothetically, and that they gave us a message not to come back to the moon, and they we were to stay on our world that they created for us.

Remember, this is a hypothetical example. Now, that would shift the consciousness on this planet so much that it could never be returned to its former state. What that would do is that it would launch us as a planetary population into a totally different direction. We would look at religions differently, archeology differently…

Val: So, in the same spirit of hypothesis, based on what is really going on now, and your gut feeling, could you hypothesize a scenario relative to a hypothetical planetary realization and its subsequent planetary effect?

Alex: Are you asking me what events do I see that could happen that would trigger this?

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The Most Probable Order of Transformative Events to Come

Val: Let me rephrase the question. Combining your gut feeling and what you know, in terms of the highest known probabilities, what type of planetary transforming events of that hypothetical nature are most likely to occur, considering current events and trends?

Now, as a guide, you had before given a listing of events that had a high probability of realization during the next ten years. You may have given some thought to those probabilities, based on your own knowingness, and come up with a prioritized list of what may be likely to occur before other things on that list that may have the same effect as the hypothetical analogy you talked about with the Neil Armstrong scenario.

Alex: Ok. These are some of the things that I feel that are absolutely going to happen, according to my gut instinct, very very soon. At the top of the list is the acknowledgement of life outside of our planet in the solar system.

Val: It would be a really large stretch between a public announcement of bacteria on Mars and that type of realization. Your feeling must be based on the idea that something else is going to happen beyond any kind of media announcement.

Alex: Yes.

Val: Would this “something” be related to Hale-Bopp?

Alex: Yes. Hale-Bopp and other things.

Val: Other things?

Alex: Other sightings. That’s at the top of my list. The second highest probability is the proof of dimension, that there is “life after death” and that the soul does not cease to exist.

Val: What might prompt this realization?

Alex: That, I don’t know. But, it is within my gut instinct. The next would be the introduction of “free energy“.

Val: This is already happening as we speak, to some degree.

Alex: Yes. These guys are literally being forced to have to do this.

Val: To do what?

Alex: To move things along. They can’t keep us in petroleum products because its destroying the environment.

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Transnational Corporations Now Stuck In Their Own Mess

(After Losing Planetary Hideouts)

Val: Why should the transnational corporations start caring about that now?

Alex: Because they still need us.

Val: As “consumers”.

Alex: Yes. If you kill everyone but yourself, what game is left?

Val: But this is presuming they have a long-term plan. Surely they know that this long-term plan or anything they could come up with is going to be punctuated by things that would in fact destroy the entire transnational corporate economic structure.

Alex: Well, here’s the thing, Val. They had a plan. My understanding is that the plan was to colonize the moon and then go to Mars and start a new society and civilization.

Val: This is a plan that was arrived at by the World War II Germans.

Alex: Correct, based on information that they were given by Gizeh intelligence.

Val: Who are..

Alex: The group comprised of rogue Sirians and Pleiadians. Now, they spent a lot of time and a lot of years, and a lot of energy, putting that plan together.

Val: I remember when the Apollo program was well under way, and Von Braun and the rest of the ex-Nazi rocket scientists were involved. One of Von Braun‘s dreams was to go to Mars. After they went to the moon and discovered what was there, suddenly the official public program was shut down, the Apollo program was canned, the Nazis were put out to pasture, and the public was convinced to think that planetary exploration was abandoned in deference to solving social problems on earth.

Or, that’s what the public was persuaded to think. Meanwhile, the covert program of planetary exploration, in league with some alien extraterrestrial groups, proceeded. That’s the way I understand it to have happened.

Alex: Right. They built structures and complexes on the moon and on Mars, and the program continued up until February/March 1989. At that point, it became evident that everything they had done was for nothing, because they were attacked by the Orion group, who came into our solar system and destroyed the earth bases on Mars.

Val: And all of these occurred at the end of the 12-year Bush-Reagan administration.

Alex: Of course, it was during this period where Reagan addressed the UN.

Val: Yes, with the speech about “what if we were attacked by a force from space“.

Alex: Right. So now, what they realized is that they have allowed the corporate octopus to destroy the environment, but now as of 1989 they’re stuck and they’ve got to come back here and live in the “shit” that they helped create. They can’t escape to some other planet now. Now, they have no choice but to start to fix some of the problems here.

Val: But, now they’ve got a larger problem looming in front of them. It’s their worst nightmare. The thing that they tried to do to us is being done to them. How ironic. Meanwhile, the bulk of the population has been just sitting here and has never realized that all of this has been going on.

Alex: Exactly. I’m sure they thank God for television…it keeps people fat, dumb and stupid.

Val: I just bought an interesting book called “Four arguments for the elimination of television”. It’s a pretty thick book.

Alex: I bet they’re all strong arguments.

Val: Yes, they certainly are.

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Vissaeus: Creating A New Reality and Different Way of Life

Alex: Well, they’re not going to eliminate it. It’s not going to happen. There are a couple more things I wanted to cover here. I was having a conversation once with Vissaeus once about the idea of creating a new reality and a different way of life here. These are some of the thoughts he gave me:

“Create another domain of knowing, communicating and being. In other words, the domain of calling forth or generating your intent needs to be more distinct. Your physics, as you call it, is a good example of this ‘calling forth’.

There have been men on your planet who have called for new domains of thinking that never existed. They invented it, and they didn’t fantasize about it. They didn’t pretend. They literally created a new context for what you now call physics. Your humanity is strong with these kind of examples. No being, however, makes the distinction that this is what they are. I would like to give you an example. Your (concept of) human rights.

It isn’t so long ago that there was no such concept on your planet. It didn’t exist. Your terrans did not have any rights. Only their kings and priest had their rights. But most of you terrans did not have any rights. So, you and other terrans created ‘human rights‘ from nothing.

You created the domain that created the ‘human rights‘ and then you called it forth. You created language for it. You communicated it. And this communication that you gave had power, because it was full of intent. It has the power not only to represent and to invoke, but also to literally bring it into being.

This is what your races need to do in order to clearly know yourselves and transform the quality of your lives on your Earth.”

Val: That’s helpful.

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Andromedan View of the “Astral Plane”

Alex: There is something else I wanted to share with you. When I first started talking with him in 1985, there were a lot of questions that I had regarding the astral plane, or “ghosts” and things like that. So, this is dealing with what most metaphysicians would understand as the “astral plane”, and those who inhabit it:

“Their reality is one of collapsed consciousness and personal belief systems. They cannot any longer expand in consciousness. They believe they cannot awaken until they are worthy…

Val: This is interesting, because it dovetails a lot with what Robert Monroe had to say in his book Far Journeys.

“And this worthiness comes only from within, and it must be experienced in their own laws. They are stuck in consciousness. We would suggest to them, if they were to ask for assistance, that it be important to burn away all the religious images, otherwise truth becomes very filtered and squeezed, and you only get a little piece of that truth, and not all of it.”

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Andromedan View of “Truth” on Earth At This Time

“Truth, on your planet, is a filtered experience understood only through your personal belief systems or concepts. We have discovered that everyone on your world has a different truth, and there have been cultures-of-truth in every society or civilization.

It has kept a continuum of light here on your planet. The truth is not told to everyone because everyone, we feel, is not ready to hear it. There are some who have, and would take your truths and but them in a box, and then keep their lives detached from it.

The problems is that much of your mankind is taking these truths personally instead of seeing it as an objective truth or reality. They would take this truth and make it very egotistical in order to glorify themselves and others, and as we perceive, and through our own experience, a truth is not meant for that at all.

They would then create a religion or some kind of dogma again, something which they could remain detached from, yet glorify in the eyes of others. And a truth has nothing to do with your earth religions. The secret, wondrous nature of Spirit has nothing to do with your religions.

You are all multi-dimensional. Think that way. In order to think that way, your Terms should turn the way you understand and perceive yourselves and life inside-out, and make all of your belief systems abstract, not personal.

Because of your personal attachments, you have cut yourselves off from universal knowledge. You have to have an objective mind to gain true knowledge. You have all cultivated the attitude of a subjective self.

The Is-nests does not live inside of all of you, and if you won’t conceive of or believe in your own divinity, how are you going to make the leap into the next levels? How are you going to attract and magnetize true, unconditional respect and love, to you, without thinking in this way.

If you do not participate, you will only be a spectator. You will not watch or participate in the plan for growth and evolution in our galaxy, and not truly experience it yourself.”

Val: Could you define a non-personal belief system in terms of what was just said?

Alex: A belief system not based on personal experience. What I have learned is that personal experience is really the only true basis for knowledge that I have.

Val: So he’s saying that belief systems, if they exist at all outside personal experience, should be considered to be only abstract in their nature.

Alex: Yes, that’s right.

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More on Civilizations in Various Star Systems

Val: Changing areas of discussion, could you give me more information in terms of star civilizations that you have not yet released to the public in general, on the basis that no one has yet asked this specific question.

Alex: There are planets in specific star systems that I know. There is a small star called Centaur where there is plant, insect, animal and human beings that exist in a setting that would be considered to be equivalent to our Middle Ages. Another star is Krugerko. The planets in this particular system are full of minerals. There is silver, platinum, as well as plutonium. In the system of 61 Cygnae, there is planet and animal life, but no colonies as of yet.

Val: What about the beings on Sirius A?

Alex: There is a race of beings on Sirius A, the humans there, are called the Katayy. They are considered benevolent. There is also animal, mammal and aquatic life on the planet. Many of the human races there are red-skinned.

Their ancestry is some of the first Lyraens that escaped with the women and children during the war. In their oceans they have whales, octopus and sharks. They are a race that is artistic. They have music and are connected to nature. They are builders and not very political. Their governments are based on “spiritual technology”, which uses sound and color.

Val: And Sirius B?

Alex: The cultures around Sirius B have a very controlling vibration. Some of the humans are red, beige and black-skinned. The planets around Sirius B are very arid and are generally occupied by reptilian and aquatic-type beings. Palm trees originate from the Sirius B system. The society is more obsessed with political thought patterns instead of spiritual attributes.

Val: And Sirius C?

Alex: It is now just being terra-formed, so there are as yet only very small colonies there.

Val: Has Morenae ever talked about the planet that the U.S. military has conquered after using Montauk technology to transport themselves there?

Alex: He did, and I have that, but I haven’t been able to find that in my notes yet. As soon as I find that I will get that data to you. Ok, around the star system of Procyon (right – Digital Art) there are planets occupied by 23 billion human beings in five solar systems. That’s all I have now. I’m still going through my notes.

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The Nature of Andromedan Music

Val: What about Andromedan musical composition and the nature of their music?

Alex: What they do is as they are traveling, they will record solar systems holographically, or the planets individually, and they take the holographic sound patterns relating to them and blend them with other sounds of other planets, suns or galaxies. They create their music from this.

Val: It is literally music of the spheres.

Alex: Literally, and I have to tell you Val, there is absolutely nothing like it. It’s like the most incredible orchestra you could ever imagine, but it makes your soul vibrate, it really does. It’s so profound.

End of Interview (1997)





An Essay on the Concept of Leadership

Dictated by Morenae to Alex Collier

What is important this present time in your world is to know the pioneer leaders of your past who greatly influenced your world today are removed from the hearts of the people today. The leaders of today, this present moment, should share and embrace the same faith, philosophy and objective as the people. They, the leaders, should thereby raise each of the governed to his or own level, according to the principles of consistency from beginning to end.

This mistakes, as we have studied and observed, are that throughout your history, hero-worship and fame-seeking has risen to the point of the idea your leaders are great and the general populace is ignorant and powerless. This concept in your country contradicts a true democracy and is wrong.


So it shall be that individuals must and will awaken and united voluntarily. Some will be artist, scientist, and others from all walks of life. They will become teaching leaders of the people with whom they are working directly and will teach all men and women to be leaders. At the same time, it is also important that those who support them must become leaders also.

To be a leader in your world, we would only suggest that only the requirements be simple and evolve from the real essence of mankind. Leaders should be in absolute faith of their humanhood, declaring always, the greatness of God and self-responsibility.


They should also have a strong sense of responsibility for themselves and those that they teach. A leader should always love his people, protect them, and encourage them warmly into their own power and humanhood. The leaders sense of responsibility will deepen by his affection of his role as teacher and father or mother.

When a leader lacks mercy or compassion, they will be self-serving and irresponsible. And a leader/teacher should always strive and be broad-minded. He should always try to be capable of understanding his member’s needs, and individual situations, and putting himself in their place. A leader should practice gentleness and forbearance, and be determined to hear the problems and teach guidance and self-determination to any person to establish self-faith and happiness.

A leader also needs to be impartial. He must not be swayed by his own feelings or self-serving considerations. Always eager to give a fair hearing to reasonable suggestions, but firm in protesting self-serving goals or mistaken views, even to his seniors.

Leaders should be careful of those that flatter them, as not to cater to their personal agendas. Leaders should cultivate the sense to spot cheap tricks, lies and sneakiness. He must also put the right person in the right place and be courageous about it. The idea is to build long-term integrity in all aspects of life and leadership. Always acknowledge the inconspicuous efforts of others, as all souls are part and contribute to the whole.

Your leaders should also have self-confidence, courage and decisiveness. Leaders must believe in their ability to protect his members and help them advance to self-responsibility so all may become determined. Those persons who have done the inner work on the path of being a true human being, acquire wisdom and are true leaders. They always have faith in themselves. Those who walk the path of heart will discover that through faith emerges wisdom. And this same faith enables the leader to employ his wisdom effectively in all situations.

Courage is indispensable to the leader. Leadership is no place for cowardice. Always strive to advance wisdom and courage. Building an honest and healthy race of human beings means producing a world of leaders of the true law of oneness. Development of faith, integrity and character is both the starting point and the end result. This will make all people capable human beings.

Every child born in your world is a new opportunity to build and honest and real world. Leaders need not criticize each error on the part of their members or staff. A leader should praise them for what they have done well and capably. There will be other people who will criticize.


Being a leader or becoming a leader does not mean you have perfect faith or wisdom. These are life-long pursuits. Beings a leader is to develop people, and to help people into self-responsibility, spiritual maturity and the freedom to cultivate voluntary introspection. Mankind can develop remarkably, even under adverse circumstances.


When Earth awakens to her mission and towards her great objective, we will have full faith than you all will be successful, and a source of great pride to all of us.


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On The Relationship With the Is-ness

Moranae to Alex Collier

2/24/95, California

The worship of the Is-ness (God concept) is silent, and solitary, free from all self-seeking.


The silence is a necessity, as all speech is feeble and imperfect. Therefore, as with your ancestors and ours, their spirits and consciousness would ascend out of time and space to the Is-ness in wordless adoration (feeling).


There are no priests or “saviors” authorized to come between a man (soul) and our maker. Each experience is personal, and different than another, and should not in any way be meddled with or judged. Each soul should become conscious of the divinity that is in itself.

There should be no shrines, no temples among you. Accept nature and the caretaking of nature by mankind. Be a real, natural human being. Your real faith may not be formulated in creeds, as you have been taught, but from a deeper portion of yourself that you have forgotten, or ignore. Temples were built on your planet to honor and worship the extraterrestrial beings believed to be Gods. The Is-ness can be worshipped by honoring yourself and that which is given you. By honoring yourself you honor the Is-ness, because you are truly One and the same.

Look at your Earth, your ocean, your night sky and the galaxy. This is your “church”, and you are the “alter” in that “church”. So, release yourself from your past limited thinking. It takes only a decision. What anyone else thinks does not matter.

It is important to remember that the Is-ness does not place value upon the material fabric of time. This has only been created so that we as souls could learn more about ourselves and return with our experiences to contribute to the creation of ourselves. The rituals of “offerings”, “sacrifice” and other symbolic objects only means something to you (alone). The Is-ness is only interested in your intent, the path of your heart. Look to find your highest happiness and the motive for power in your existence.

Do not look with ill upon those of simplicity or poverty. The goal of one’s path, regardless of lifetimes or lifeforms, is not the accumulation of wealth and the enjoyment of (material) luxury. It is to discover your true self, that which is “apart” from the Is-ness; it is that part of you which chooses to leave the comfort and safety of all eternity, to fall into the concept of time. To become a true human being is the practice and constant embracing of your essential self. And, from that place of eternity, your thoughts, actions and emotions should emanate into the world.

Human beings should be vulnerable, open, focused, strong and flexible. In your world, the three concerns all of you must address personally are Self-Worth, Trust and Expectation. Your Earth not only needs healing, she also needs a responsible and worthy companion. That companion is the masculine.

There is a great need for the men of your world to become intuitive and focused on the development of the soul. Men must cultivate unconditional love on all levels. The men of your world are too aggressive and full of self-imposed loneliness. Please remember that all energy moves in a circle, so everything returns: the love, anger and despair.


Please, we ask you to also acknowledge the fact that the love you withhold is the pain you carry. So, let love warm your voice. Let love be the wonder to children’s ears. Let imagination create a world of unconditional responsibility. It will also change the order of the old world. Let your emotions give motion to the “hero” that struggles within all of you for the freedom to act, to be, to witness and to apologize.

The responsibility of becoming a human being is great, but it also natural. It is prayer in motion. It is your evolution and free will in action. It is the flow of life in all things. So, love the Earth and make new life, for children are always a new beginning. Most of you have yet to rediscover a world you’ve “already discovered”.


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More on the New Density Characteristics

Morenae to Alex Collier. Released 1/9/97

It is the start of One-ness that we would like to talk to you about and share with you. The vibratory rate of the universe is changing very fast, as compared to the rate of compulsory evolution. In your world, the rate of this vibratory rate will be measured by the frequency of the Earth. The effects of the new dimension were introduced in your year 1994, and it is affecting all physical material worlds regardless of their state or dimension.

The effects are changing all physical matter, including atoms, photons, hydrogen molecules and all matter in the eleven creational densities. It is important that this be explained or stated for those that will listen, for it will prove to be verified for those who waiver in doubt. All physical matter is going to change because all thought is changing. It is starting in all of us at a higher level in spiritual form, or what we would “coin” for your discernment, the One Mind.

As we told or spoke to you earlier, when we (first) recorded this new dimension, we explained to you that we were told (of it) by the Paa-tre, a race (consisting) of a single group-consciousness in what you could observe as the 9th density, that the frequency being emitted from the black holes is of one polarity. We now have more data that we can share and explain about its profound effects on all of us who are physical. We know not why this is happening, but (only) that it will change much of all of our lives and conscious experience in a short time.

We, in Andromeda are preparing ourselves and our young, as well as trying to express as best as we can to other races what we have learned, so that others may choose to act or not to act in whatever way each acknowledges to do so.

The most immediate changes is in the 11th density, as we are told. To describe it to you in your limited language is nearly impossible, as one cannot express or explain infinity to a first grader or five-year-old in your world. We do not (mean to) imply that you are not capable of understanding, but we are at a loss to explain precisely to you when (because) your languages fall (so) short of true expression of the soul.


But, we (will) try by saying that a dimension (containing) white light contains 72 more frequencies of light and consciousness, and that the levels of consciousness contained within a holographic dimensional picture of the same 72 frequencies, contained in one dimension, has tripled itself in an instant. The 11th density is now beyond description to those (who were) in 11th density, and their mode and quality of (descriptive) language and thought is now inadequate (to explain the change).

Those consciousness (aspects) that exist to evolve are having to create whole new realities of communication. An example of what we are trying to express to you is that — if one million people could not express or explain what had happened to them as a whole or as individuals, this would be very profound to the remainder. That is what happened.


The changes and leaps of consciousness are so profound on the 11th density, those beings cannot relate to it in their present wisdom. They cannot explain “what” it is or “why” it is, because their past ability to be at One with their own existence has not prepared them for what has occurred. Their new reality is beyond all experience or expression.

The effects are now beginning to be seen and felt on the 9th and 10th densities, and we as a race are starting to try to be at one with the vibration, so that there will be no interruption in our cooperation and vigilance with your present 3rd density and 4th density realities.

Be it know to you that we cannot express to you what changes you will experience, until we have experienced them. But, based on the past and future experiences of 9th, 10th and 11th density beings, we already conclude that we may not be prepared to express it.


The beings of the 11th density are having difficulty expressing it themselves, and expressing their experiences to each other of the Oneness of their new consciousness. In other words, it is like a child who has thoughts but does not know how to speak, and struggles to say the first words, and isn’t sure what was said or why. It’s first grade on the highest level of consciousness in our universe. We love and share with you. Lose not your faith. Be at one always.

Your brother, Morenae


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Dealing With Current Social Crisis

” The most necessary action now, for all of you who are aware, is to do what you are capable of doing to illuminate your degenerated societies. Consciousness is your scale. It always provides balance, which does not fail. It speaks to those (who listen to it) and tells them what to do, and what not to do – to one or all beings who chose to be involved.”

” The key to your happiness is in the hands of your consciousness. We have perceived that you have arranged your lives not according to yourselves, but according to others. Your disappointments are due to this fact. This kind of conduct of yours is what is limiting your race.

Each one of you is a free soul, a free consciousness. No one is the servant or a slave of anyone else, though the hidden ones would trick you to believe otherwise. Mutual respect is imperative for a healed planetary race. Help is being extended to you if you want it.

Because of our genetic lineage to your race, we would like to be with you during your difficult times. Today, you are a planet and a race that destroys itself in ignorance. Your goal is to uncover the genuine human beings lost deep within yourselves. Always be at one with yourself.”

” We have been in communication with many races in discussions regarding militant decision making. We all agree that conflict in the end serves one purpose — to create fear. And, this we know removes the original intent from creation. We are hopeful that sincerity will gain momentum.”

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Some Historical Aspects of Human Physiology and Genetics

Material in brackets [ ] has been added for linguistic clarification

“In your linear time of 3rd density measurement, of 439,231 rotations ago [years], war on a grave scale occurred in your Solar System. This aggression occurred against those on your worlds that included not only you Terrans, but also those called Niburu. This invasion of your systems by Orion was led by a queen named Suttee. This (war) was destructive on many levels [frequencies) of physicality.

“We will focus tonight on your Terran physical form. It matters little of those who hear you, Alex, who do not listen. Please share (this) regardless of (any) emotion returned to you in challenge. When your science truly removes their bigotry, they will discover of the wisdom of it (what is said here). The last grave conflict was very harmful to your physical form. Many weapons of destruction, many of atom-splitting (nuclear weapons) have been used. This is the reason for most of your Terran skin tones. We shall explain.

Orion was and is most interested in the females of your race. Because of the pro-creation (reproductive) and genetic strengths. We want to share (the fact) that much of your Terran history has been misleading in its truth by those who eventually conquered in control of your solar system (those in control rewrote history to hide the truth). Nibiru won, but only a short battle, before they and other outposts were forced to leave (the solar system) because of genetic damage.

Your original races were green-skinned. This we know, because of large copper traces in your Terran 22 blood type (refers to the composite of human genetics which comprise genetic codes from 22 humanoid species). Also, the pituitary and thyroid (glands) were fully functional (at that time). The genetic damage to these organs was caused by (the) radioactivity in (the) air and all things of contact (on all things in the environment). The air was like this for a long time.

” It (the radioactivity in the environment) caused the genetic memory of these organs (genetic memory of full-use capacity) being closed and almost atrophied (caused the function of the organs to shut down and the organs to atrophy).

Your world experienced drastic changes in climate and massive magnetic fluctuations. Your different skin tone races are a result of an adema damage to your blood (changes in blood chemistry). It was (then) necessary for survival to create self-sufficient and contained environmental habitats, (both) above and below the surface. Much of the fossilization of your terran remnants is caused by this radiation of your planet (here they imply that ambient radiation plays a part in fossilization processes).

Your system contained 3 suns at that time. Only two remain (one is on the opposite side of the visible sun, and rotates in such a way that it is hidden from view from the perspective of the Earth). Your physicality (body) in its original form contained a great balance of zinc, copper, magnesium and iron. Your true (original) blood color was green, like your chlorophyll.

Some, we have discovered, even had (blood of a) gold tint. As such (at that time) your physicality (body) could survive in a high carbon dioxide (content) atmosphere. Because of this skin color green, the (only) stars in your system that affected your physical form were in the color spectrum of orange-red, blue and green.

” Many of your Terran races were stranded on the surface. The genetic changes were the result of radiation damage. Your race (skin color) went from green, to red, to yellow, to black, and then to white. Your white races were then considered then to be genetically weakest (Note: that should steam some people).

As such, the survivors and descendants of the war were genetically altered and became white through edema (he means anemia?} And they were persecuted and (were) forced to live underground, only to surface 5,508 rotations (years) ago to the surface of your world. The copper blood line is (now) a small race on your world (Note: He has to be referring to the ‘blue blood’ self-declared nobility), but it is the strongest genetically.

Your native red nation race is very strong and easiest to discover and understand (Note: this might explain the penchant for abduction of those with ‘red’ genetic bloodlines, and also the relative genocidal murder of the ‘red’ races by the white).

The red is the closest to the original form among you. Your physicality had a natural defense to positive and negative frequencies (due to the) copper mineral in your blood (resistance to electromagnetic variation). This lack (now) of copper in your blood has caused a partial loss of brain capacity and nervous system (capacity). Remember (that) your DNA contains cellular memory.

It is possible to unlock this memory with (the) use of minerals such as copper. Your blood systems (are) adapted (now) to iron, because of copper depletion due to (ambient) radiation. We will share more, but we must return now. Be at one, Alex.

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Telepathic Statement from Morenae 11/3/96

Released 11/5/96 National Election Day

Alex, we have already spoken with you in detail of your races’ genetic transfers and reincarnation before. I will mention them again when necessary because your path and happiness depend on being able to attain the truth. Yes, we are aware the situation of your planet shows great deviation of the right path in the sincerity period. But, please, if you would try to share this moment in your planets evolution as a preparation for the investments, which will be made in the very near future for your races.

Since the removal of conditions by density technology, your evolution is going to a faster pace, I think you say, than before. [Note: here Morenae paused in the middle of the talk to listen to information regarding movement of craft around Uranus. He smiled and then resumed]

We have had to raise the frequency of your planet to move change and enlightenment along. Such a broad word you use, this word ‘enlightenment’. It was necessary. This also means great tests of tolerance in situations will be needed, by your races. The most important of these tolerances will be caused by delusionary discriminations between your peoples.

At the present moment your races are carrying in your DNA genetics the influences of a thousand centuries, as you count rotations, both the positive and negative aspects. Please understand we are trying to prepare your races for advanced maturity.

At present moment, many transfers occur in your planet from many different cultures and planes. Each member of the races on and in your planet will naturally exhibit their own mentality. They do and will contradict your habitual cultures.

But, please do not forget that we have told you about mental conflicts, (that they) cause each to go through tests of maturity. We determine your mentalities through the impulse signals we receive from your races chain of thoughts. Now, the selection of man or woman and the situations they transcend are much more difficult, because their preparation (in terms) of the future is in accordance with their level of consciousness.

Alex, you cannot help all your races. Each member of your races will feel their essence in (during) the balancing of positive and negative as they have done, and it will be weighed in their own consciousness. Those who prepare and invest will be prepared for the evolution to another density. The countenance of your planet is changing very quickly.

Please don’t confuse our compassion for your races with a love for your planet. Please understand that they [two concepts] are separate with our race. We are neither pleased with your worlds riches, nor dismayed by its poverty. We come to hear, to assist in the period of sincerity. The clarifying of the original intent in all of us in this ‘veedia’ [holograph]. Because of lineage to your races, we returned to you.

Your world is a place of veiled consciousness. In order to be embodies in physicalness, all frequencies should be assembled in a whole intent. The very distresses, the many anxieties, are the result of conflict with the limitless awareness in your races. This is the reason why your planet races cannot attain your own Selves [and] you desire to possess everything.

The reflections of your evolutionary state of physicality, causes your races not to live comfortably on your planet. Your present religions cause your races to unify [the idea of] your physical bodies with your abstract egos. You call this “progress”. We do not. Stop looking to your physicality to bring you enlightenment. Your bodies are the effect of the cause, which is intent, moved by emotion, which creates physicality.

During previous past times in your 3rd density, education of the soul took many incarnations of life and death of the physical body. Situations and reincarnations would reflect this system it appears. All beings would transcend your physicalness in accordance with the degree of consciousness attained.

Since it appears that your races, having no concept of the Law of Consistency, became very fragmented in extremes. Religions became divisions of beliefs, and conflicts among your races took place. The worship of belief systems and idolatry came into existence.

Now, the technology of advanced races in higher densities have taken control of your evolutionary systems, and by means of this systems’ control, the evolution of certain dimensions.

Reincarnations have become history, and by this means your races, Alex, and others [races] than yours, have a probability of DIRECTLY attaining your FULL ESSENCES.

The reason for telling you this truth in all clarity is to free you of the conflicts and contradictions, so your races can attain the truth as soon as possible. So, don’t ask us about yourself, ask ABOUT yourself TO your own Self.

If your races cannot attain the truth and cannot be unified with YOUR ORIGINAL INTENT, we will not be able to be in touch with your planet races. Since the EGO CONSCIOUSNESS in your races still goes on, and since you cannot break the denial of your inner self, your race becomes detrimental to the planet and to your planetary system.

At this moment, there are many beings who cannot attain genuine respect for Self and Self-Awareness in our galaxy. They, as well, are being kept under control. Their evolutions are being made in an indirect way. Your races have also been persecuted and manipulated by other galactic races from planetary systems negatively charged, other than your own. Since during your different past time periods they have tried to prove to your ancestors their own TECHNICAL POWER, fear has been CREATED in your races. We have returned, to convey the truth, to erase these fears.

Since your planet is the site of both the most primitive and most high maturity, it is very full of contradictions. Your religions which helped many to evolve, have not been released. Your races have refused to let go of a system of beliefs that have not serviced your planet for the last 453 rotations of your star [years].

Be freeing you of this, and with the use of COMMON SENSE, we hope your races will attain your OWN SELVES, and BECOME FULLY INDEPENDENT. Be at one.

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The Greys and the Earth Agenda

– A 1995 Alex Collier Lecture


Interaction Between Gizeh Group and Nazi Germany

The Greys made contact with a world governmental body for the first time in 1931. This was in Germany. The Greys were however turned away by the German government, because it had already committed itself to involvement with the Gizeh intelligence. Now, I don’t know if you know who Gizeh intelligence is, but I will tell you that it is a renegade group of human extraterrestrials that were headquartered under the Gizeh plateau in Egypt.


They were predominantly Pleiadians at the time. Ashtar was part of that group, Kamagol was part of that group. Even Jehovah was part of that group for some time. They did their own thing. They came down here and “played God” with us, and people worshipped them as “Gods” because they had this technology. They abused their power. The Germans were, in the 1930’s, building rockets and starting a space program because of their contacts with extraterrestrials – the Gizeh intelligence.

Technology was developed and used to create weapons, because the German governmental bodies involved were concerned that there was going to be an alien invasion. The Gizeh intelligence told them that the Greys were here. However, there was not an actual invasion, per se, in progress. Weapons, such as sound devices, lasers, neutron bombs, particle beam weapons were created , although many of these were actualized later on in history.


The Germans were given a lot of this technology by the Gizeh intelligence. These technologies also included free energy devices and anti-gravity technology.


Tripartite Interaction: US, USSR and Britain

The United States was the first to open its doors to the alien race known as the Greys. I have been told of a contact in 1934, wherein the Greys made their presence known to the United States government in Washington State. It wasn’t until 1947 that actual contact occurred with the aliens and United States officials, due to the shooting down of an alien craft in Roswell, New Mexico.


This pressed the Greys into contact earlier than they had anticipated. After this crash at Roswell in 1947 the United States, the Soviet Union and the British, at the very highest levels of government, became “blood-brothers”.

Now, these governments did not know what Germany was really up to at that time in history. The Germans were very very secretive about their contact with Gizeh intelligences. What was going on in Germany and what was going on between these other countries were two separate issues.

The Roswell incident created more of an urgency to develop a true space program in order to defend the Earth. Again, the United States government and the Soviets thought that there was a threat due to the technologically advanced state of the aliens they had encountered. The true space program was an “underground” development that we are just now beginning to hear about. It was originally financed by members of the Club of Rome.


Now, you will need to do some homework to find out who those members are, and don’t be surprised at who you see. We’ll talk more about that when we discuss the moon. The Greys assisted the “black government” with the building of some of the first facilities on the moon and Mars.

Prior to all of this, between 1850 and 1950, there were instances of the mutilation of both cattle and humans. The NSA, which was created in the 1950’s, knew that aliens were responsible. How they knew this, though, I have not been told. I will try and get more clarification on that.


In 1952, the government prepared itself for the realization of ongoing alien contact. When our military radar systems started to bring down craft, the Greys realized that in order to perform their genetic experiments on such a large scale, in an attempt to genetically save their race, they would need the cooperation of a political body of a high caliber. In other words, they had to come to terms.


A select body in the United States was designed to be the liaison between the Greys and earth humans. The military was very enthusiastic, in the hope of exchanging raw materials for alien technology. This liaison group, the political structure, was the National Security Agency. This is what its original purpose was.


The Agreement and Contract

In May of 1954, the United States government made the agreement with an alien race. Some of the terms of this agreement featured the exchange of technology of anti-gravity, metals and alloys, environmental type technologies, free energy and medical technologies geared toward dealing with the human body.


All the Greys asked for in return, they said, was to be allowed to study human development in terms of consciousness and emotional makeup, and to be allowed to stay here on Earth. The agreement took place at Holloman Air Force Base.

This single act involving the signing of a “contract” with an extraterrestrial race was the most significant event in human history, because it launched mankind in a direction we were never intended to go in the first place. It also thrust us into a role that we were not prepared for, either, of being host to an alien race.


This also essentially “handcuffed” the Andromedan Council, and those benevolent extra- terrestrial races from being able to take a more active role in our evolution. In effect, it has placed the burden squarely on the shoulders of humanity, to enlighten itself relative to the facts, and to consciously create ascension on an individual basis, because outside help was now unavailable.

The particular treaty was agreed upon between these aliens and the Ultra unit in the NSA, which is in actuality a government unto itself. Now, pay close attention, because this is the first time I have ever mentioned this. The particular document and originally exchanged materials may be found today in the NSA facility called Blue Moon, underneath Kirkland Air Force base in New Mexico.


The entrance to this base is in the Manzano mountains. Also, at this location is the private Department of Energy (DOE) technological base. Currently, the building of free energy devices for use in space is ongoing in this particular facility.

Much of the alien technology has been reconstructed and sent, via a connecting tunnel, to Los Alamos and an area located underneath the cliffsides of Los Alamos canyon, where huge vaults are built into the earth. This facility is 29,000 square feet, and contains laboratories equipped to study light, thought, and pure energy.

This facility is also used as a jail for aliens captured by black government factions.

Now, the NSA is exempt from all laws in the United States, unless it is itself mentioned in any creation of law. This is because of its interaction with alien species and what it sees as necessary intervention into the civil and constitutional rights of the American people.


The Underground Network and Its Management
Corporations that are currently assisting the various alien groups and the “black government” are:

  • Standard Oil,

  • Lockheed,

  • Northrop,

  • McDonald-Douglas,

  • AT&T,

  • IT&T,

  • the A.Matthews Construction Company,

  • the Robbins Company,

  • the Utah Mining Company,

  • and a host of others.

There was a great deal of private money used by the NSA to build alien technology, and to keep humanity under control, and the status quo secure. Even the CIA doesn’t know a lot about the Ultra unit or the Blue Moon unit in the NSA, which deal with alien technology and information.

Now, Alpha 1 and Alpha 2 (under Blue Moon) control compartmentalization, building and applications of alien technology. According to the Andromedans, Alpha 2 is MJ-12, and MJ-12 is at the bottom of the hierarchy, even though we are led to believe that it is at the top.


Alpha 2 also controls the release of information and the security of that information. MJ-12 meets in a facility called the “country club” in the mountains of Virginia. The “country club” is owned by the Rockefeller Foundation. The vital meetings are held underground, and the members of MJ-12 are taken via a small subway to the town of Warrington, Virginia.


From there, they are taken to an underground city called “Ravenrock”, which is located just south of the Blue Ridge summit in Pennsylvania. The effort and energy they put into keeping all of this secret is incredible. It’s nice to know that a race 2.2 million light years away knows what is going on here.

Most of the underground tunnel system across the United States is between 2,500 and 3,500 feet underground. The Boeing Aerospace Company built and created fuel batteries and power generators to operate this subterranean highway system that is apparently all across the United States. Apparently, in these fuel cells, they mix chlorine and hydrogen and electricity is created, as well as hydrogen chloride, which is then reseparated again into hydrogen and chlorine. The process continues forever, creating electricity forever. It never wears out, apparently.

The planning and implementation for blueprints and designed for the tunnel connections underground was handled by the Navy. The National Research Council was responsible for the underground tunneling systems across the United States. The management of all these facilities is handled by the Department of Energy.

Now, the machines that were built to create this underground tunnel system and the underground facilities were built by the Jarva Corporation of Ohio, the Morrison-Knudson Company out of Boise, Idaho, and the Robbins Company in Washington State. Most of the financing for this program, and all of these facilities, has been done through the NSA.


Black Project Finance Through Drug Trafficking

Ok. The New World Order and the “black government” financed the building the alien bases and underground facilities. How is it that the NSA signed a treaty without going through Congress and did this without anybody knowing about it? The majority of the financing was the result of the CIA creating solutions to impossible situations.


Proceeds from the sale of narcotics (to the American people) have been used to finance these black projects. The one example that I will give you, that apparently is just now coming to the surface, is a book called Compromise.


It talks about Bill Clinton’s involvement with the CIA, and the import of over $100 million worth of cocaine, each month for a period of years, into Mena airport in Arkansas, from where it was distributed throughout the United States.


Secret Bases and Tunnels

There are also underground bases around and tunnel systems that penetrate all throughout the earth. Some of these are millions and millions of years old, built by advanced alien beings who were here in the past, mining our planet for minerals and precious metals. Some of these underground ancient facilities are protected by current earth governments.


As you will notice, the bulk of the underground installations are in the United States, and we are going to talk about where those bases are, and about what information I have been given about them.

  • In Australia, there is Pine Gap, located in the center of the continent. Pine Gap is an extremely dangerous place. Many of the things that are being taken from the Earth to the Moon are leaving from Pine Gap. Also, in the Snowy Mountains in Australia there is another base.
  • In China, there is an underground base that is US-Alien-Soviet controlled located in Mongolia, in Xining. There is also a benevolent alien base under Tibet.
  • The Soviet Union. Now, much of the underground hidden space program which developed the lunar bases has been a covert US-British-Soviet operation since 1958. Most of it has been launched from the Soviet Union, because of its vast expanse, and no one, anywhere, can see what is coming and going. They did not use the technology that we’re used to seeing, these large rockets, to get that stuff up there. The Greys provided anti-gravity technology which allowed them to do this very easily. There is a based at Serov that is a joint US-Soviet-Alien base. The Andromedans say that this base is very large and very dangerous. There is a base at Karagaj and Sakaueen. There is an ultra-secret level base in the Ural Mountains, north of Serov.
  • There are bases in Iran. There is one right smack in the middle of the country, in the desert. It’s very large, and apparently there are tunnel systems that run to the Red Sea and to the Indian Ocean. The Masurine Islands, underwater, there is a very large trench where there is also a base.
  • In Africa,
    • In Algeria, there is base in the Tahat mountains.
    • in the Sudan, there is an alien base in the Nyala Range.
    • In Zaire, there is an alien base west of Kindu.
    • In Botswana, there is a base at Kamahaki.
    • There is a base at the South Sandwich Islands.
    • In Egypt, there is a base close to the Libyan border, and I understand that the base is as big as the state of Maryland.
    • There is also one west of Cairo, underneath the Giza plateau. There are no aliens there at all right now, I am told, but there are United States NSA personnel in it.
  • In Europe:
    • In Switzerland, there is a base under Mount Blanc shared by seven races considered to be benevolent.
    • In Scandinavia, east of Narvik there is a base.
    • In Sweden, there is a base under Gottland island, a private island. How many of you have seen the story of Hangar 18? According to the Andromedans, that particular craft was given to our government by the Andromedans themselves as a good-will gesture to open up dialog and communications. Apparently, they still have not been able to get inside the craft because they still haven’t figured how to open it, but what they did was move it to Gottland island off the coast of Sweden. That’s where it is now.
    • There have been many attempts by the Andromedans to open up a dialog with the government. The benevolent Pleiadians and a group from Sirius A have also made the attempt, but the first thing they ask the government to do is to disarm itself, because the government doesn’t really know what to do with the technology they have, especially with the nuclear weapons. The benevolent races are afraid of what the government might do to them with these weapons. They have offered help in dealing with the problems here on earth if they would only put their weapons away, but apparently the world government’s don’t want to abandon their killing capability.
  • In South America:
    • there are bases in the Andes Mountains.
    • In Chile, there is a bases north of Calama.
    • In Brazil, there is a base at Moto Brava Cuinva.
  • In the United States, there are bases on one of the borders of Alabama, in Missouri east of Braxton, south of St. Paul, Minnesota, east of Amarillo, Texas. In New Mexico there are bases at Dulce, Datil, and at White Sands. In Arizona, there are bases in the White Mountains and the Superstitious Mountains. In Utah, there are bases underneath Salt Lake. There are bases in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho. In Oregon there is a base under Mount Hood, which is a very significant one, and I will talk more about that one later. It’s important, but not in a positive way.
  • In California, there are bases at Twenty-Nine Palms, Death Valley, Edwards AFB, and in Bishop, where there are landing ports. There are also bases in the Mojave Desert and a NASA secret underground base at Crows Landing near Nights Ferry.
  • In Washington State, there are two. There are several in Nevada, including Groom Lake and Sunspot. There are 19 miles of caverns and tunnels in the Yucca Mountains that are used for the construction of gravity craft. This area is also attached to S-4. These facilities were designed and built by the A.A.Matthews Construction Company in Maryland, which was once owned by the Payseur family (See Alex Christophers’ Pandora’s Box). Now, relative to S-4, the Greys gave our government nine of their craft. Out of that nine, our government duplicated and created 53 other craft. The NSA now has at least 53 of these UFO-type craft, and virtually all of them are sitting on the moon at this time (1995).
  • In Alberta, Canada, there are bases near Calgary. In British Columbia, there is a base near Dawson Creek. In North Bay, Ontario, there is a large NORAD facility.

Benevolent Facilities

There’s Mount Shasta, the Grand Tetons and Banff, Canada, and of course Mount Blanc in Switzerland. There is also one in both the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean. I don’t know a lot about it, but I can tell you this. I don’t know if any of you are aware of the recent efforts of the government wanting to “test sound devices” in the ocean, off the coast of Hawaii and down to New Zealand.


It’s the military that is running this. I have been told by the Andromedans that the military, in using this technology, is trying to look for a particular (benevolent) mothership that they know is hiding south of the equator in the Pacific, and that they feel they cannot find it in any other way. They are thinking that the sound will do the trick.


Geo-Electrical Grid Anomaly Launching Sites

In the Indian Ocean, there is also a base at Diego Garcia island. Now, the earth has an electrical grid system around it, and there are times when this grid system shorts out, and where ever it shorts out, it creates anomalies. Well, two places that are predisposed to these anomalies, on a regular basis, are the area of the Bermuda Triangle and the island of Diego Garcia.


My understanding is that when the grid shorts out, gravity becomes null and void. Whatever is caught within that area when the grid snaps back is blown up into space. What they would do is that they would send a craft from the moon, hook up a towline to whatever went up from Diego Garcia, and simply haul it to the moon.


Tractors, bulldozers and all kinds of equipment to build underground bases and to move earth have been “launched” from Diego Garcia island. They actually have platforms built, and they slide them out to where the anomaly is going to be, and they just sit there and wait for the anomaly to occur. Boom.


Once it occurs, the item is instantaneously up there in space in the upper atmosphere. Now, this has been going on for more than 30 years, and all the while no one has had a clue.

Underground base illus #1

Underground base illus #2

Genetic Research At Underground Facilities

The Greys are genetic engineers. They’re not the only ones. Most of the extraterrestrials out there are genetic engineers, because they value lifeforms, as opposed to gold and silver. That’s their wealth. A lot of the genetic engineering and experimentation that is going on here on Earth is being done now by the Greys, who are also doing the same thing on Phobos, one of the moons of Mars.

They are using this opportunity to try to satisfy their own agenda, which is to create new DNA and genetic stock that is clean enough to foster new physical life forms that are capable of regeneration and birth. As of right now, the Greys are destined for extinction. Through constant interaction and manipulation of the human race, they have created hybrids grey-human children. [Editor note: for further data and pictures, see Matrix II].


There are many problems that come with this. The Greys are really interested in female genetic stock, because all the family lineage’s follow the female line, as far as they are concerned.

Many new races have been created this way throughout our galaxy. It’s not just something that came about “new” here. It’s been going on for a very very long time. Few races today remain as their pure original genetic stock, with the exception of two races that the Andromedan’s say are really “clean”. Those two races are the reptilians from Alpha Draconis and the other are those that we know as the Elohim, which are a very ancient race of humans survived the wars in Lyrae.

All other races in this universe, as far as the Andromedans know, are a mixture of hybrid genetic stock. The Greys themselves would like to be free of the Orion Empire, and will have no chance of survival if they do not create or match their body type or genetics with ours. You see, time is running out for them, and we are also evolving at a tremendous rate, on a spiritual level.

So, even though what they’re doing is inappropriate, they are caught in a very tough position themselves, because what they are doing to us has been done to them. This does not serve as a justification in any way. When any of these have a hybrid child, they take it outside the atmosphere of the earth so that the child is fully aware of its reincarnational history and has no veil. Apparently, there is some kind of “agreement” that if you are born inside the atmosphere of the planet you have a veil.

The Grey’s agenda is to create a slave race, which is currently in full swing for the purposes of control, physical services and labor, sexual energy acquisition, as a food source, a stock for more hybrid experimentation, and as biological material.

Apparently, they feed off of energy. If two people are fighting, for example, we create a lot of energy. They can feed off that energy. Whenever there are wars going on, there are a lot of “ufo” activity feeding off the energy of fear. Also, they are doing extensive research on the capabilities of the human brain and the nature of the soul.


Many people who have been implanted by the Greys are aware of the fact that they have been put on a kind of machine and are “being trained” in some kind of activity. According to the Andromedans, the Greys are “training” humans to fight their war against the Draconians, when they arrive here.

[Editor note: This was also the presumption in Matrix II when it was written in 1990].

They intend on using humans as their soldiers against the reptilians, while at the same time preparing the planet for its new, soon to be arriving, owners. This has very serious implications for us.

Now, I am not here to promote fear. I don’t believe in that, but I am telling you what I have been told to tell you. We have boxed ourselves into this corner, and the only way we can change this is that we have to become consciously aware of what our world is really about, what is really going on here, and that we have to create a space of love. If we can create a space of love, the Greys, Draconians and other controlling races could not handle that kind of vibration. Now, either this has to happen or we are going to ask for some serious intervention here.

[Editor note: See our January 12, 1997 interview with Alex Collier for the complete discussion on the topic of intervention].

In the case of serious intervention, there will be “war in the heavens” as the Bible has predicted, and the whole thing will be for our sake.


Ashtar, Haton and “Savior’ Scenarios

You know, this talk about “Ashtar” coming down here to save you. Ladies and gentlemen, it isn’t going to happen. It just isn’t going to happen. It’s belief systems. When I was coming up here today, someone was reading some material to me by Haton, who was saying the same thing, “we’re going to pick you up and take you to Mars.” No thanks, I don’t want to go to Mars. [Editor note: That is where the Orion Group is].


Nobody is going to “save” you. According to the Andromedans, if you are sitting here waiting for a ‘savior’, you’re not ‘doing the work’ yourself. Now, who else [but negative controllers] would come down here and ‘take you off the hook’? For what purpose? You’d only re-create the situation again, because you haven’t permanently evolved to the level of becoming your own savior. You haven’t learned the lesson, and this is what their strongest message is.

You have to do the work yourself. You are only responsible for yourself. Nobody is going to come down here and take you off the hook. They even said if that even if they do directly intervene, they are not going to baby-sit. That means that we have to get it straight.


We as a race have to come together and decide what it is we want and how it is we want to live. We have to decide how we want to raise our children, what moral and ethical systems we want to have, etc. We don’t need to be told by somebody else ‘out there’ what is best for us. It never works, and it isn’t going to work now. Most human beings would rather die that live as a slave. That is just our nature.


Our soul. We need to be free, and we are coming to that point again. We’re there.


The National Security Agency, the Greys, Implants and Human Clones

The Greys are currently (1995) monitoring the brain waves of those they have implanted. The Greys have been implanting people for the last 100 years. So, generations of family members have had implants. The cloning of human beings, of life forms, was taught by the Greys to the NSA.


The art of subversion was taught by the Greys to the NSA. On the two highest levels of human interaction with the Greys, within the NSA, there exist cloned human beings or human beings so heavily implanted, that according to the Andromedans, the NSA no longer considers them to be human beings.


They are part of the Grey group-mind. These people have no free will and are essentially robots and their soul is trapped.


The Grey Group Mind Complex and Communication System

The Greys clone their own race into a caste system, just like insects. They all basically think the same things at the same time. [ Editor note: As I pointed out in Matrix II in 1990, this is the reason that the Greys have a hard time when you “throw them a curve”. They don’t do well with the unexpected].


Their minds are like ‘radios’. If there are no ‘radio waves’, they don’t do anything. In other words, the Greys themselves have computers which put out a vibratory wave (carrying information), instructing them what to do. If somebody shut off the computers, they would stop in their tracks, because they don’t think for themselves.


They are part of a group mind. They are not individualized intelligence, like we are. They would very much like to create us to be like them. Now, this is not the case exactly with the aliens from Zeta Reticuli 1, who have the same technology but use it to heal, not to control. We’ll get to that later.


The Grey Group Mind Conceives of the Creator as a Mind

The Greys consider the Creator as a mind. What has happened is that they have completely detached themselves from their spiritual essence so long ago, that their physical existence and personality has become pure Ego. This is also the orientation of the Draconians, who are pure Ego as well.


Many of the other races genetically altered by the Draconians are also experiencing the separation from their own essence. I don’t understand the process or how it works, but they no longer believe themselves to be Spirit, to be an essence. They are in fact trapped, physically and emotionally, in a purely physical existence, and therefore, that is all they see. They literally disown, or fractionalize themselves, away from their spiritual essence.


That no longer becomes a part of them. Human beings have been known to do that to themselves, as well. You can fractionalize your Self into many different personalities. Now, with this dimensional compression that is going on, this why we are seeing a lot of insane things going on.


Ego is now being compressed on itself. It’s imploding on itself, and you are finding huge pockets of incredible negativity, not only here, but in other parts of the galaxy as well. On Sirius B there is a terrible civil war going on right now. In Perseus, there are 21 systems getting ready to go to war in a battle between the Orion Group and the benevolent races of the Andromedan Council.

You have to understand, for people in this state of being, they associate their physical life and the ego as the same existence. They are totally detached. Those beings that refuse to acknowledge their spiritual essence and only associate with the physical and the ego are going to be removed from our universe and put somewhere else that is apparently is in the process of being created.


According to the Andromedans, the healing of all Souls in this universe is not possible at this time, because some of these Souls literally threaten the existence of universal consciousness. In other words, they are going to resist and there is no way they are going to make the leap, so they are going to be removed.


[Editor note: See the beginning discussion on “pocket” forming at the beginning of this book].


Pockets will be formed holding them and new universes will be created for them to work on their problem.

The Greys are very sophisticated in mathematics and energy sciences. It has been said that our military, at the time of the Holloman agreement, had an exchange of personnel with these aliens, and that 16 military personnel were supposed to have been taken to the Grey’s point of origin.


They left us several of their own. Now, according to the Andromedans it was really 109 human beings that were taken by the Greys, they did not end up being brought to the Grey’s point of origin ( Zeta Reticuli 2). The humans instead were taken to motherships and to Phobos, where they were experimented on.


Viral Technologies, Human Cloning and Planetary Surveillance

They have certain viral technologies to the National Security Agency, who in turn passed these technological developments on to lower levels within the military industrial complex. In Africa, we find the testing ground for the AIDS virus. There is a reason for this. This type of biological technology was given to Ultra within the NSA.


One of the NSA facilities that deals with this is under Fort Meade in Maryland. There are 19 acres of underground caverns with some of the most highly technological supercomputers in the world, that were build and designed inside this facility. They have never seen the light of day.


This area, and the area we talked about before at Mount Hood in Oregon, are engaged in massive surveillance of the world’s communications. The complex in Oregon is where our military is cloning human beings. I don’t know what aliens are involved, but they are cloning human beings there.


More Historical Review

In the late 1950’s the Greys approached the Russians in regard to the idea of mutual exchange and signing treaties but the Russians were already at the time included in the proceedings of the NSA, and chose not to sign an independent treaty, because they knew full well that the Greys would try to pit the United States against Russia. It is, in fact, and I have gotten this straight from Vissaeus, the Soviet Union that informed John F. Kennedy of the presence of the Greys during the Cuban missile crisis.

The Andromedans have stated that the Russians were trying to blackmail the U.S. into sharing the alien technology. Thus, the Russians put the missiles in Cuba in order to attempt to intimidate the United States. The Russians became increasingly aware the NSA and the CIA were developing incredible technology and were not sharing it with the Soviet Union, as was the original agreement shortly after the Roswell incident in 1947.

Apparently, Kennedy asked the CIA three times if the Russian allegations were true. The CIA lied twice to Kennedy, even though nuclear weapons were only 18 minutes away from striking the United States. They just lied to him. This prompted Kennedy to want to “scatter the CIA to the winds”.


This is one of the more important reasons the “black government” saw Kennedy as a threat, and why Kennedy died prematurely. It was the desire of President Kennedy that some of this technology would reach the common people, and be used for the betterment of mankind.


This was one of the reasons that he launched the public space program, in anticipation of the possibility that the people could share in some of this technology. [Editor note: some of the data in the next paragraph duplicates some data given in a previous lecture, shown before, but not all of the data]

Now, in 1953, satellites and radar showed large objects coming toward the Earth, and these were Grey, time-traveling motherships. They were the same craft seen near Venus in 1787, 1788 and 1789. In 1645, it was reported that “a large moon” was seen near Venus, and was seen coming and going until 1767.


The same type of incidents happened in the vicinity of Mars on November 25, 1894, when a large ship was seen illuminating part of Mars. The same thing happened with Mercury in 1789, the Sun in 1859, and this same body that sits out there today, has been dubbed Vulcan. It’s a large mothership.


During the total eclipse of July 29, 1878, astronomers saw two large planetary bodies the size of Venus between Mercury and Venus. According to the Andromedans, these bodies were Pleiadian and Andromedan motherships that had traveled back in time and were observing the Greys, who were at the time orbiting around the Sun.


In 1783 and 1787, huge bright lights were reported on the moon, mistakenly reported as volcanoes, they then lit up the dark side of the moon. In February 1894, a comet was photographed striking a large dark object in our solar system. It happened to have wings, and according to the Andromedans, this was a Draconian mothership.


The same phenomena occurred on April 4, 1892, and the Draconian ship was about one third the size of the moon, about 700 miles in diameter, and it had wings. Another Draconian mothership was observed on January 27, 1912. It was 250 miles in length and 50 miles wide and resembled a crow. It was sitting on the moon.


Religious Programming of Human Cultures

Now, ladies and gentlemen, I don’t want to offend anybody, but I am going to tell you just the way it has been presented to me. Ok? All you have to do is listen. If it doesn’t feel right for you in here, then dismiss it. If it does feel right, and you get chills, then maybe you should start paying attention to it.


Many religious operations have been undertaken by the Greys over the past 500 years for the purposes of manipulation and control of human belief systems, and to get us to compromise our free will to a ‘savior-like image’. Under these false pretenses, the Greys would be absolved from creating karma for themselves. Instead, they let us create the karma ourselves. It’s such a set-up, it really is.


The power of belief systems can be used as fuel for the game of seducing people into believing that certain things are ‘true’. By the power created by these conscious thoughts, we can literally make these things occur and come true, whether they benefit us or not. These are real spiritual dynamics at work, here, and they are being used against us.

According to the Andromedans,

“Our physical bodies, and matter, are the embodiment of ideas or belief systems. Our universe consists of ideas and thought systems, condensed and turned towards itself, to create and originate spirit and energy.”

In other words, we really are “Gods“. We really can do anything we want to do. They continue:

“We of earth have evolved only in terms of technical and material sciences. Our spiritual evolution for the most part has been suppressed from us by a group of extraterrestrials, now the black governmentor the New World Order.”

Because, upon learning of these spiritual truths, the NSA and the world government realizes that everything they have been trying to do, according to the Andromedans, could be swept away in a day, should humanity become enlightened.

If a billion people come to the realization and decision that this is going to change, that we no longer want the current reality, then it will literally change with the setting and the rising of the sun. But, they stress that we need to be clear about what we want, which is part of the decision and responsibility that is ours. So, if we are going to create it, we have to take responsibility for it.


The Shroud of Turin

According to the Andromedans, this one example of extraterrestrial manipulation and an assault on our belief systems. The holographic image on the shroud was created by the Greys in order to strengthen a belief in a “savior”.


This belief system assists their plan for control, because humanity would love to give their power away to someone that appeared to be a true and legitimate messiah, because they have been taught to do that. The Greys know that few people truly want to accept responsibility for their own evolution.


Most would rather be told what to do, than to realize the situation and take appropriate action necessary to free themselves.


A Staged “Second Coming

To further Grey manipulation on the belief-system level, there is also a plan in development, according to the Andromedans, to play out a staged “second coming”. This will occur shortly after the destruction of the world economy. We are not very far away from that. Maybe six years at the most.


This being will be a cloned biological human being, who will be holographically be imprinted with information regarding spiritual truths contained in all earth religious and metaphysical systems (that the Greys have already implanted on the planet). He will strongly profess the Hindu philosophy.


Why, I don’t know, but this is what they’re saying. The Andromedans continue, saying that the intent of this being will be evil, that the being will not have a soul. It is in fact a robotoid. A synthetic clone. The Greys have this kind of ability to stage this with their technology. This individual will be “the image of the man on the shroud of Turin”.

“The “Anti-Christ” will not be the evil soul portrayed in the Bible. In fact, the “Anti-Christ” will (ironically) be someone who tries to express the truth, and who sees the United States government as the cause of all this evil.”

This is what they’ve said. Now, I have to add this, in defense of that belief system. The Vatican, in 1960, admitted that there were 14 plagarisms in the New Testament. They refused to say what they were, but they said there were 14 of them. In other words, it wasn’t “God” who wrote it, but they changed it, and they admitted it.


So, you do with that piece of information what you want, ok? But, everybody is believing that this kind of event has to happen, and by us believing it has to happen, we’re going to create it. And, they are sitting up there laughing at us.


The Incident At Fatima

The Greys are responsible for the Fatima episode in Portugal, where the Virgin Mary supposedly spoke to the children. In fact, according to the Andromedans, this was a holographic image of a woman, professed to be the Virgin Mary, “the mother of Jesus Christ.”


During this incident, “the sun” supposedly “fell from the sky” and “miraculously healed people”. Using Grey technology, these apparent “miracles” did in fact occur, but they used light and sound beamed at these people to effect these changes. Now, this is technology that has been here on the earth for at least the last 100 years or so, but it is against the law now in most places in the United States — because it works.


Color and sound technology. The reason that color and sound work is because the entire universe is a holographic projection, turned inside of itself. It’s all a holograph. Virtually all the people present at Fatima were implanted during the “missing time” phase of this episode.


Jesus” and “Mary” Are Composite Characters Created by Council of Nicea

A large ship positioned itself in front of the sun to create this occurrence. The reason that this is not a “true miracle” is because the Biblical Jesus is a composite character, and as such is an allegorical myth.


The Virgin Mary is also a composite character. These composites were made for the purpose of uniting religions of the ancient Roman empire, so that their resources were not being used to constantly stop religious wars between different factions.


From 310 AD to 325 AD, the Council of Nicea created these composite characters. Some books that discuss this truth are Holy Blood-Holy Grail, Antiquities Unveiled, The Messianic Legacy, The Council of Nicea: Gnosis and the Law.


Reincarnation was “written out” of the Bible by Justinian and Theodora in 553 AD.


Pollution and Population

In the 1950’s, the so-called meetings of the JASON society were triggered by information given to the Ultra unit in the NSA by the Greys about the world situation, regarding the subjects of pollution and our population. It was at this particular time that the Greys offered little assistance or sharing of technology regarding environmental issues. This has persisted, even until today.


The Pleaidians have, in fact, offered more solutions than any other group to date, but they were turned away by the NSA. This prompted the first of three “alternatives that are often discussed in “ufo circles” today. These “alternatives” were in fact a reality.

“The “New World Order” is in a major predicament. The Greys are 2,500 years ahead of us technologically. The black government is afraid to tell us the truth concerning this reality, because they fear a revolution, overthrow and self-preservation for the people who will want their scalps.”

This is what the Andromedans are saying. Two large motherships are on the planet now hiding in the ocean (1995). One is below the equator and the other one is in the Atlantic. I don’t know who they belong to, but they are here.


My feeling is that they are benevolent in nature, because the government has actually talked about implementing “alternative 4”, which was to create a controlled pole-shift, and the Andromedans have said that they would not allow this to happen. So, my feeling is that these ships are, in effect, there to “anchor” the planet on its axis.


Attacks on the “Space Program

Aliens have been more openly attacking us in space as time as progressed. It started with the Russian Mars probe, when it was destroyed. The Mars Observer was captured by reptilians on Mars. Also, closer to home, on December 1993, a Landsat satellite disappeared in orbit. It just winked out of existence.


In August of 1993, the European Space Agency lost two communication satellites. Again, they just vanished from orbit. A Canadian Telsat was destroyed in our atmosphere on January 15, 1994, and was seen crashing to earth.


This was shot down by the Greys. Again, I don’t know why. A NASA Satcom-3 communications satellite vanished in May of 1979. It was just taken. Two Soviet Mulanaya satellites just vanished from orbit.


Governments Ask for Help With Greys – Draconians Respond (Hale-Bopp)

Here’s a scenario. The benevolent races have told the world governments that would help them, but they would have to dismantle their nuclear weapons. The earth governments don’t want to do this, because they don’t know who to trust because of their own activities.


However, the world government is so desperate to get rid of the Greys, that they apparently have put a “call” out asking for help, using the SETI program. Well, the Andromedans have told me that there is a group that has offered to help our earth governments with the problem of the Greys, and even to give them weapons to fight the Greys.


The ones who responded are the reptilians from Alpha Draconis. Ironically, the only real enemy the Greys have and that human beings on Earth have. Now, interestingly, the Greys actually work for the Draconians. It’s all part of a setup. We will invite them in here, there will be no battle, and once they’re here, we’ll never get rid of the Draconians.


The Line of Defense Against the Orion and Draconian Groups

The Pleaidians are assisting the Andromedan Council in an attempt to quarantine our solar system from the invading forces, namely the Orion Group and the Draconians.


The quarantine defense line is between Uranus and Pluto, and consists of a mixture of benevolent races, both physical and non-physical. Included are groups from the Pleaidian system, the Arcturus system, Andromeda, a group from Sirius A, Reticulans, and others.


This line of defense is really like a last resort, because apparently two huge Grey motherships have already been turned back that were on their way to Earth and Mars. There were casualties on both sides during this process.


The Underground Alien Population in 1995

There are currently (1995) over 15,000 Greys under the United States, and they are a renegade group of Reticulans who have not been to Reticuli for hundreds of thousands of years. They have been traveling through space in their “arks”.


Before they came to Earth, a process which also involved time travel, they were residing in the Sirius B system. The Andromedans have huge mother ships on Jupiter, the moon of Gandymede and the moon Demos.


I don’t know if they were actually on Jupiter when the comet hit, but they probably weren’t. There are 3,000 greys on the moon (1995).


Reptoid Redoux

There are approximately 1,833 reptilians living underneath the United States. Their underground habitat ranges from a depth of 100 miles to 200 miles beneath the surface of the Earth. They generally live in caverns and the ancient tunnel systems created hundreds of thousands of years ago.


They are not benevolent, and every once and a while they come up for a contact. They have been seen in New York City, Missouri, Chicago and in the Southwestern states. These areas happen to be the largest areas, coincidentally, for missing human children, numbering in the thousands. The Andromedans have stated that 31,712 children have been taken by the reptilians over the last 25 years.

In Linda Moulton Howe‘s book, Alien Harvest, there is mention of human body parts being seen in underground bases. The Andromedans confirm that we are being used for food. The Greys use our blood and the reptilians consume live human flesh. Their favorite human food is children.


[Editor note: Not to belabor the point, but this material is discussed in great detail elsewhere in this section].


More on the Subject of Walk-in’s

The Greys are searching for walk-in’s because of their desire to learn about the human Spirit. Walk-in’s are necessary at this particular time. They are higher evolved souls. There are 72,000 walk-in’s on the planet right now (1995), and are part of the Andromedan Council. In the next three years, 72,000 more will be coming.


[Editor note: Gee, that’s 144,000. Where have we seen that number before?].

All this is to balance the negativity being created. Because of the Council’s laws of non-intervention, the Andromedan Council felt it necessary to intervene in another way that would not violate Council directives. Thus, the walk-in’s, who
are earth human beings, are here to do that work. It’s a “back-door” approach.

There are 1,531 actual human benevolent extraterrestrials on our planet right now, and where they are I don’t know. But, they are here to record, report, observe and possibly assist some of the walk-in’s. At some point they will be leaving, but they look just like us in our everyday lives.


Washington D.C Hasn’t A Clue What’s Happening

The regular government in Washington, D.C. hasn’t a clue what is going on. They really don’t. The “black government” itself consists of various levels. At the top they know everything.


The lower levels only know small pieces. Knowledge is very compartmentalized, need-to-know basis. The total picture involves outrageous deceit and subversion of the public trust.


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