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Chapter One – My First Interview With The Alien

“By the time the alien had been returned to the base I had already spent several hours with her. As I mentioned, Mr. Cavitt told me to stay with the alien, since I was the only person among us who could understand her communication. I could not understand my ability to “communicate” with the being. I had never before that time experienced telepathic communication with anyone.

The non-verbal communication I experienced was like the understanding you might have when a child or a dog is trying to get you to understand something, but much, much more direct and powerful! Even though there were no “words” spoken, or signs made, the intention of the thoughts were unmistakable to me. I realized later that, although I received the thought, I did not necessarily interpret it’s meaning exactly.

I think that the alien being was not willing to discuss technical matters, due to the nature of her position as an officer and pilot with the duty to maintain the security and confidentiality required by her own “unit” or organization. Any soldier who is captured by the “enemy” in the line of duty has a responsibility to withhold vital information, even in the face of interrogation or torture, of course.

But, in spite of that, I have always felt that the alien being was not really trying to hide anything from me. I just never got that feeling. Her communication always seemed honest and sincere to me. But, I suppose you can never know for sure. I definitely feel that I shared a unique “bond” with the alien. It was a kind of “trust” or empathy that you have with a patient, or a child. I think this is because the alien could understand that I was really interested in “her” and had no harmful intention, nor would I allow any harm to come to her, if I could prevent it. This was true too.

I refer to the alien as “her”. Actually, the being was not sexual in any way, either physiologically or psychologically. “She” did have a rather strong, feminine presence and demeanor. However, in terms of physiology, the being was “asexual” and had no internal or external reproductive organs. Her body was more like the body of a “doll” or “robot”. There were no internal “organs”, as the body was not constructed of biological cells. It did have a kind of “circuit” system or electrical nervous system that ran throughout the body, but I could not understand how it worked.

In stature and appearance the body was quite short and petite. About a 40 inches tall. The head was disproportionately large, relative to arms, legs and torso, which where thin. There were three “fingers” on each of two” hands” and “feet” which were somewhat prehensile. 22 (Footnote) The head had no operational “nose” or “mouth” or “ears”. I understood that a space officer does not need these as space has no atmosphere to conduct sound. Therefore, sound related sensory organs are not built into the body. Nor does the body need to consume food, hence, the absence of a mouth.

The eyes were quite large. I was never able to determine the exact degree of visual acuity of which the eyes were capable, but I observed that her sense of sight must have been extremely acute. I think the lenses of the eyes, which were very dark and opaque, may also have been able to detect waves or particles beyond the visual spectrum of light. 23 (Footnote) I suspect that this may have included the full range of the electromagnetic spectrum, 24 (Footnote) or more, but I do not know this for sure.

When the being looked at me her gaze seemed to penetrate right through me, as though she had “x-ray vision”. 25 (Footnote) I found this a little embarrassing, at first, until I realized that she had no sexual intentions. In fact, I don’t think she ever even had the thought that I was male or female.

It become very obvious after a short time with the being that her body did not require oxygen, food or water or any other external source of nutrition or energy. As I learned later, this being supplied her own “energy”, which animated and operated the body. It seemed a little bit eerie at first, but I got used to the idea. It’s really a very, very simple body. There is not much to it, compared to our own bodies.

Airl explained to me that it was not mechanical, like a robot, nor was it biological. It is animated directly by her as a spiritual being. Technically, from a medical standpoint, I would say that Airl’s body could not even be called “alive”. Her “doll” body is not a biological life form, 26 (Footnote) with cells, and so forth.

It had a smooth skin, or covering which was gray in color. The body was highly tolerant to changes in temperature, atmospheric conditions, and pressure. The limbs were quite frail, without musculature. In space there is no gravity, 27 (Footnote) so very little muscle strength is needed. The body was used almost entirely on space craft or in low, or no-gravity environments. Since Earth has a heavy gravity, the body was not able to walk around very well as the legs were not really suited to that purpose. The feet and hands were quite flexible and agile however.

Over night, before my first interview with the alien, the area had been transformed into a buzzing hive of activity. There were a dozen men working on setting up lights and camera equipment. A motion picture camera and microphone and a tape recorder was there also set up in the “interview room”. (I don’t understand why a microphone was needed, since there was no verbal communication possible with the alien.) There was also a stenographer 28 (Footnote) and several people busily typing on typewriters.

I was informed that an expert foreign language interpreter and a “code breaking” team had been flown to the base during the night to assist with my efforts to communicate with the alien. There were also several medical personnel -specialists in various fields – to examine the alien. And, a professor of psychology was there to help formulate questions and “interpret” the answers. As I was just a nurse, I was not considered to be a “qualified” interpreter, even though I was the only one there who could understand anything the alien was thinking!

There were many subsequent conversations between us. Each “interview” resulted in an exponential increase in understanding between us, as I will discuss later on in my notes. This is the first transcript with the answers to a list of questions provided to me by the intelligence officer at the base which I debriefed to the stenographer immediately following the interview.”

Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force Roswell Army Air Field, 50 9th Bomb Group


“QUESTION – “Are you injured?”
QUESTION – “What medical assistance do you require?”
QUESTION – “Do need food or water or other sustenance?”
QUESTION – “Do you have any special environmental needs, such as air temperature, atmospheric chemical content, air pressure, or waste elimination?”
QUESTION – “Does your body or space craft carry any germs or contamination that may be harmful to humans or other Earth life forms?”
QUESTION – “Does your government know you are here?”
QUESTION – “Are others of your kind going to come looking for you?”
QUESTION – “What is the weapons capability of your people?”

I did not understand the exact nature of the kind of arms or weapons that they might have, but I did not feel that there was any malevolent intention in her reply, just a statement of fact.

QUESTION – “Why did your space craft crash?” ANSWER –
QUESTION – “Why was your space craft in this area?”
EXPLOSIONS 29 (Footnote)
QUESTION – “How does your space craft fly?” ANSWER –

“Mind” or “thought command” are the only English language words I can think of to describe the thought. Their bodies, and I think, the space craft, are connected directly to them through some kind of electrical “nervous system” that they control with their own thoughts.

QUESTION – “How do your people communicate with each other?”

The words “mind” and “thought” combined together are the closest English language words I can think of to describe the idea at this time. However, it was very obvious to me that they communicate directly from the mind, just as she is communicating with me.

QUESTION – “Do you have a written language or symbols for communication?”
QUESTION – “What planet are you from?”


Since I am not an astronomer, I have no way of thinking in terms of stars, galaxies, constellations and directions in space. The impression I received was of a planet in the center of a huge cluster of galaxies that is to her like “home”, or “birthplace”. The word “domain” is the closest word I can think of to describe her concept, images and thoughts about where she is from. It could as easily be called the “territory” or the “realm”. However, I am sure that it was not just a planet or a solar system or a cluster of stars, but an enormous number of galaxies!

QUESTION – “Will your government send representatives to meet with our leaders?”
QUESTION – “What are your intentions concerning
Earth?” ANSWER –
PRESERVE / PROTECT PROPERTY OF THE DOMAIN QUESTION – “What have you learned about Earth governments and military installations?”
QUESTION – “Why haven’t your people made your existence known to the people of Earth?”

I got the impression that contact with people on Earth was not permitted, but I could not think of a word or idea that communicated the impression I got exactly. They are just observing us.

QUESTION – “Have your people visited Earth’s previously?”
QUESTION – “How long have you known about Earth?”

I am not sure if the word “prehistoric” would be more accurate, but it was definitely a very long period of time before human beings evolved.

QUESTION – “What do you know about the history of civilization on Earth?”

The answer to this question seemed very vague to me. However, I perceived that her interest in Earth history is not very strong or that she did not pay much attention to it. Or, maybe, … I don’t know. I didn’t really get an answer to the question.

QUESTION – “Can you describe your home world to us?”
QUESTION – “What is the state of development of your civilization?”

I use the number “trillions” 30 (Footnote) because I am sure that the meaning was a number larger than many billions. The idea of the length of time she communicated is beyond me. It’s really closer to the idea of “infinity” in terms of Earth years.

QUESTION – “Do you believe in God?”

I am sure that the alien being does not understand the concept of “god” or “worship” as we do. I assume that the people in her civilization were all atheists. My impression was that they think very highly of themselves and are very prideful indeed!

QUESTION – “What type of society do you have?”

These are the closest words I could use to describe the idea she had about her own society or civilization. Her “emotion” when communicating her response to this question became very intense, very bright and emphatic! Her thought was filled with an emotion that gave me a feeling of jubilation or joy. But, it made me very nervous also.

QUESTION – “Are there other intelligent life forms besides yourself in the universe?”

Due to her small stature, I am sure that she did not mean “tallest” or “biggest”. Again, her prideful “nature” showed through in the feeling I received from her.”

“This was the conclusion of the first interview. When the answers to the first list of questions were typed and given to the people who were waiting for them, they were very excited that I was able to get the alien to say anything!

However, after they finished reading my answers they were disappointed that I could not understand more clearly. Now they had a lot of new questions because of the answers I received to the first list of questions.

An officer told me to await further instructions. I waited for several hours in the adjoining office. I was not allowed to continue my “interview” with the alien. However, I was always well treated and allowed to eat and sleep and use the restroom facilities whenever I wanted.

Eventually, a new list of questions was written for me to ask the alien. I gathered that quite a few other agents, government and military officials had arrived at the base by this time. They told me that several other people would be in the room with me during the next interview so they could prompt me to ask for more details during the interview. However, when I attempted to conduct the interview with these people in the room, I received no thoughts, emotions or any other perceptible communication from the alien. Nothing. The alien just sat in a chair without moving.

We all left the interview room. The intelligence agent became very agitated about this. He accused me of lying or making up the answers to the first questions. I insisted that my answers were honest, and as accurate as I could make them!

Later that day, it was decided that several other people would attempt to ask questions of the alien. However, in spite of several attempts by different “experts”, no one else was ever able to get any communication at all from the alien.

Over the next several days a psychic research scientist from back East was flown to the base to interview the alien. Her name was Gertrude something or other. I don’t recall the last name. 31 (Footnote) On another occasion an Indian clairvoyant named Krishnamurti 32 (Footnote) came to the base to try to communicate with the alien . Neither one was successful at getting the alien to communicate anything. I was personally not able to communicate telepathically with either of these people either, although I did think that Mr. Krishnamurti was a very kind and intelligent gentleman.

Finally, it was decided that I should be left with the alien by myself to see if I could get any answers.”


22 “…prehensile…”
The word is derived from the Latin term prehendere, meaning “to grasp.” It is the quality of an organ that has adapted for grasping or holding. Examples of prehensile body parts include the tails of New World monkeys and opossums, the trunks of elephants, the tongues of giraffes, the lips of horses and the proboscides of tapir. The hands of primates are all prehensile to varying degrees, and many species (even a few humans) have prehensile feet as well. The claws of cats are also prehensile. Many extant lizards have prehensile tails (geckos, chameleons, and a species of skink). The fossil record shows prehensile tails in lizards (Simiosauria) going back many million years to the Triassic period.

Prehensility is an evolutionary adaptation that has afforded species a great natural advantage in manipulating their environment for feeding, digging, and defense. It enables many animals, such as primates, to use tools in order to complete tasks that would otherwise be impossible without highly specialized anatomy. For example, chimpanzees have the ability to use sticks to fish for termites and grubs. However, not all prehensile organs are applied to tool use- the giraffe tongue, for instance, is instead used in feeding and self-cleaning behaviors.”

23 “… able to detect waves or particles beyond the visual spectrum of light.”

The visible spectrum (or sometimes called the optical spectrum) is the portion of the electromagnetic spectrum that is visible to (can be detected by) the human eye. Electromagnetic radiation in this range of wavelengths is called visible light or simply light. A typical human eye will respond to wavelengths in air from about 380 to 750 nm. The corresponding wavelengths in water and other media are reduced by a factor equal to the refractive index. In terms of frequency, this corresponds to a band in the vicinity of 400-790 terahertz. A light-adapted eye generally has its maximum sensitivity at around 555 nm (540 THz), in the green region of the optical spectrum. The spectrum does not, however, contain all the corbrs that the human eyes and brain can distinguish. Brown, pink, and magenta are absent, for example, because they need a mix of multiple wavelengths, preferably shades of red.

Wavelengths visible to the eye also pass through the “optical window”, the region of the electromagnetic spectrum which passes largely unattenuated through the Earth’s atmosphere (although blue light is scattered more than red light, which is the reason the sky is blue). The response of the human eye is defined by subjective testing, but the atmospheric windows are defined by physical measurement. The “visible window” is so called because it overlaps the human visible response spectrum; the near infrared windows lie just out of human response window, and the Medium Wavelength and Long Wavelength or Far Infrared are far beyond the human response region.

The eyes of many species perceive wavelengths different from the spectrum visible to the human eye. For example, many insects, such as bees, can see light in the ultraviolet, which is useful for finding nectar in flowers. For this reason, plant species whose life cycles are linked to insect pollination may owe their reproductive success to their appearance in ultraviolet light, rather than how colorful they appear to our eyes.”
– Reference:

24″… this may have included the full range of the electromagnetic spectrum…”
“The electromagnetic spectrum is the range of all possible electromagnetic radiation. The “electromagnetic spectrum” (usually just spectrum) of an object is the characteristic distribution of electromagnetic radiation from that object.

The electromagnetic spectrum extends from below the frequencies used for modem radio (at the long-wavelength end) through gamma radiation (at the short-wavelength end), covering wavelengths from thousands of kilometres down to a fraction the size of an atom. It’s thought that the short wavelength limit is the vicinity of the Planck length, and the long wavelength limit is the size of the universe itself, although in principle the spectrum is infinite and continuous.”

25″… her gaze seemed to penetrate right through me, as though she had “x-ray vision”.
“In fictional stories, X-ray vision has generally been portrayed as the ability to see through layers of objects at the discretion of the holder of this superpower. People often pretend to have this ability through the use of X-ray glasses, which are a special type of “joke-around” or prank-gag toys with the secret of its “x-ray properties” being unknown. The goal is usually to see through clothing, usually to determine if someone is carrying a concealed weapon, but sometimes for purpose of seeing a person’s private parts. In the non-fictional realm, X-rays have many practical uses in the fields of science and medicine. While there are devices currently extant which can “see” through clothing (using terahertz waves), most are quite bulky. However, there are night vision equipped video cameras that can be modified to see through clothing at a frequency just below visible light.”
-Source Reference:

26 …”Technically, from a medical standpoint, I would say that Aid’s body could not even be called “alive”. “

“The word “organism” may broadly be defined as an assembly of molecules that function as a more or less stable whole and has the properties of life. However, many sources, lexical and scientific, add conditions that are problematic to defining the word.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines an organism as “[an] individual animal, plant, or single-celled life form” This definition problematically excludes non-animal and plant multicellular life forms such as some fungi and protista. Less controversially, perhaps, it excludes viruses and theoretically-possible man-made non-organic life forms.

Chambers Online Reference provides a much broader definition: “any living structure, such as a plant, animal, fungus or bacterium, capable of growth and reproduction”. The definition “any life form capable of independent reproduction, organic or otherwise” would encompass all cellular life, as well as the possibility of synthetic life capable of independent reproduction, but would exclude viruses, which are dependent on the biochemical machinery of a host cell for reproduction. Some may use a definition that would also include viruses.”
– Source Reference:

27 “…in space there is not gravity…”
“The terms gravitation and gravity are mostly interchangeable in everyday use, but in scientific usage a distinction may he made. “Gravitation” is a general term describing the attractive influence that all objects with mass exert on each other, while “gravity” specifically refers to a force that is supposed in some theories (such as Newton’s) to be the cause of this attraction. By contrast, in general relativity gravitation is due to space-time curvatures that cause inertially moving objects to accelerate towards each other.

Isaac Newton’s theory of universal gravitation is a physical law describing the gravitational attraction between bodies with mass. It is a part of classical mechanics and was first formulated in Newton’s work Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica. published in 1687. In modem language it states the following:

Every point mass attracts every other point mass by a force pointing along the line intersecting both points. The force is proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between the point masses:

• F – is the magnitude of the gravitational force between the two point masses,
• G – is the gravitational constant
• m1 – is the mass of the first point mass,
• m2 – is the mass of the second point mass,
• r – is the distance between the two point masses.”

– Reference:

28 “…stenographer…”
“Shorthand is an abbreviated and/or symbolic writing method that increases speed or brevity of writing as compared to a normal method of writing a language. The process of writing in shorthand is called stenography, from the Greek stenos (narrow) and graphe (writing). It has also been called
brachygraphy, from Greek brachys (short) and tachygraphy, from Greek tachys (swift, speedy), depending on whether compression or speed of writing is the goal. Many forms of shorthand exist. A typical shorthand system provides symbols or abbreviations for words and common phrases, which allow someone well trained in the system to write as quickly as people speak. Shorthand was used more widely in the past, before the invention of recording and dictation machines.”

“July 16,1945…” – The first test of a nuclear device was made in the desert north of Alamogordo, New Mexico. Roswell, New Mexico is only 117 miles from Alamogordo.

NOTE: In 1932 that British explorers in Model-A Fords first visited this area of western Egypt, where they discovered a mysterious yellow-green glass scattered across the surface. Ever since, Libyan Desert Glass has fascinated scientists, who have dreamed up all sorts of ideas about how it could have formed.

It’s too silica rich to be volcanic. In some ways it resembles the tektites generated by the high pressures associated with asteroid impacts. Vincenzo de Michele visited the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, and noticed that one of King Tutankhamun’s jeweled breastplates contained a carved scarab that looked suspiciously like a piece of the glass.

A simple optical measurement confirmed the match in 1998. Nuclear explosions are hot enough to fuse surface materials into glass, much like the first atomic explosion generated yellow – green glass at the Trinity, New Mexico site in 1945. Many similar sites around the world that are associated with unexplainable “cataclysmic” events reveal the same yellow – green glass. This “yellow-green glass” has been discovered in strata of rock which contain dinosaur fossils all over the world.

June 30, 1947 – “The Evaluation of the Atomic Bomb as a Military Weapon”, made by the Atomic Energy Commission was received by President Truman.

With a brilliant flourish of suicidal logic, that only the military, politicians other lunatics are capable of fathoming, the recommendation of the Commission, based on explosions of bombs in Alamogordo, New Mexico, on innocent civilians in two Japanese cities, and on the Marshall Islands, was as follows:

“PART III — Conclusions and Recommendations

1. The Board has reached the following major conclusions:

(1) If used in numbers, atomic bombs not only can nullify any nation’s military effort, but can demolish its social and economic structures and prevent their reestablishment for long periods of time. With such weapons, especially if employed in conjunction with other weapons of mass destruction as, for example, pathogenic bacteria, it is quite possible to depopulate vast areas of the earth’s surface, leaving only vestigial remnants of man’s material works.

(2) The threat of the uncontrolled use of the atomic bomb and of other weapons of mass destruction is a threat to mankind and to civilization. Only the outlawing of all war and the setting up on an adequate international control of weapons of mass destruction can lift this threat from the peoples of the world.

(3) In the absence of absolute guarantees of abiding peace, the United States has not alternative but to continue the manufacture and stockpiling of weapons of nuclear fission and to carry on continuous research and development for their improvement in the means of their delivery.”

(REFERENCE. President’s Secretary’s File, Truman Papers.

July 8.1947-Alien space craft crashes at Roswell, NM while investigation nuclear testing in the area.- The Editor

30 “…trillions…”
One thousand thousand = one million. (1,000,000) One thousand million = one billion. (1,000,000,000) One thousand billion = one trillion. (1,000,000,000,000 )

‘The English names for large numbers are coined from the Latin names for small numbers n by adding the ending -illion suggested by the name “million.” Thus billion and trillion are coined from the Latin prefixes hi- (n = 2) and tri- (n = 3), respectively.

In recent years, American usage has eroded the European number definitions, particularly in Britain and to a lesser extent in other countries. This is primarily due to American finance, because Americans insist that $1,000,000,000 be called a billion dollars. In 1974, the government of Prime Minister Harold Wilson announced that henceforth “billion” would mean 10g and not 1012 in official British reports and statistics. Anyone who uses the words “billion” and ‘trillion” internationally should make clear which meaning of those words is intended.”

– Reference: Russ Rowlett and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

31 “…her name was Gertrude something or other…”
This was probably Gertrude R. Schmeidler, who was a notable experimental psychologist and parapsychologist at the time. She published journal articles and books about how various factors and traits affect a person’s extrasensory perception (ESP) abilities.
Studied the role of women in parapsychology, and formed groups and institutes interested in the study of ESP, such as the American Society for Psychical Research, the Duke University Parapsychology Laboratory, and the Parapsychology Foundation, Inc.

Reflected in much of her research is the work for which Schmeidler is most notable, the development of the metaphor of the sheep and goats. She determined through several cycles of ESP card-guessing experiments that “sheep” (persons who believed that success was possible in ESP tasks) scored higher than “goats” (those who rejected the possibility of success).
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Chapter Two – My Second Interview

“In the next interview I was told to ask the alien only one question.”

Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group


“QUESTION – “Why have you stopped communicating?”

The alien can not communicate with them because they were afraid of her, or do not trust her. And, it is clear to me that the alien is very aware that some people have secret intentions toward her and are hiding their real thoughts. It is equally obvious to me that the alien does not have even a tiny bit of fear of us, or anything else, for that matter!”

“I pondered the words I chose to convey the meaning of the aliens thoughts very carefully before reporting to the stenographer and the people who were waiting anxiously in the other room.

Personally, I never suffered any fear or misapprehension about the alien whatsoever. I was very, very curious and excited to learn anything and everything I could about her and from her. However, like the alien, I did not have much trust or confidence in the agents or “authorities” who were
controlling my interviews. I had no idea what their intentions toward her might be. However, I am sure that the military officers were very, very nervous about having an alien space craft and pilot on their hands!

At that moment, my greatest worry was how to more clearly understand the thoughts and ideas of the alien. I think that I was doing pretty well as a telepathic “receiver”, but not as good as telepathic “sender”.

I wanted desperately to figure out a better way to communicate with the alien in a way that would enable the growing legion of government officials to understand her more directly, without having to rely on my interpretation of her thoughts. I did not feel very well qualified to act as an interpreter, yet I was the only person with whom the alien would communicate, so it was up to me to get the job done.

I was also becoming acutely aware that this was probably the biggest “news event” in the history of Earth, and that I should be proud to have any part in it. Of course by that time the entire incident had been officially denied in the press and a cover-up of immense proportions by the military and the “powers that be” 33 (Footnote) had already begun.

However, I was beginning to feel the pressure of the responsibility for being the first person on Earth, as far as I knew, to communicate with an extraterrestrial life form! I think I know how Columbus 34 (Footnote) must have felt when he discovered a “new world” the size of a continent on one small planet. But, I was about to discover an entirely new, unexplored universe! 35 (Footnote)

While I waited for my next instructions from my superiors I went to my quarters, under escort of several heavily armed MPs. Several other men dressed in black suits and ties accompanied me also. They were still there when I got up in the morning.

After breakfast, which was brought to me in my own quarters, they escorted me back to the office at the base that was used for the interview.”


“Jiddu Krishnamurti (May 12, 1895 – February 17, 1986) was born into a Telugu Brahmin family in Madanapalle, India, and in 1909 met C.W. Leadbeater on the private beach at the Theosophical Society headquarters at Adyar in Madras (now Chennai), India. He was subsequently raised under the tutelage of Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater, leaders of the Society at the time, who believed him to be a “vehicle” for an expected “World Teacher”. As a young man, he disavowed this idea and dissolved a world-wide organization (the Order of the Star) established to support it.

He spent the rest of his life traveling the world as an individual speaker, speaking to large and small groups, as well as with interested individuals. He was a well-known writer and speaker on fundamental philosophical and spiritual subjects. His subject matter included (but was not limited to): the purpose of meditation, human relationships, and how to enact positive change in global society.

At the age of 34, he publicly renounced the fame and messiah status he had gained from being proclaimed the new incarnation of the Maitreya Buddha by the Theosophical Society, and spent the rest of his life publishing regularly and holding public talks, mostly in South Asia, Europe and the United States. At age 90 he addressed the United Nations on the subject of peace and awareness, and was awarded the 1984 UN Peace Medal.”

33 “…The powers that be… ”
“Meaning — The established government of authority.
Origin – From the Bible, Romans 13:1 (King James Version):

“Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: The powers that be are ordained of God.”

34 “…Columbus… ”
“The name Christopher Columbus is the Anglicization of the Latin Christophorus Columbus. Also well known are his name’s rendering in modern Italian as Cristoforo Colombo, in Portuguese as
Cristóvão Colombo (formerly Christovam Colom), and in Spanish as Cristobal Colon.”

“Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contacts involve the interactions between the indigenous peoples of the Americas and peoples of other continents – Europe, Africa, Asia, or Oceania – before the arrival of Christopher Columbus in 1492. Many such events have been proposed at various times, based on historical reports, archaeological finds, and cultural comparisons.”
(Please refer to the following website address for details of many other contacts with the “new world” before Columbus):

35 “…unexplored universe… ”
That is, “unexplored” by homo sapiens. Much like Columbus, who “discovered” the Western Hemisphere, which had not yet been explored by Europeans, it had obviously been explored by the millions of indigenous inhabitants long before Europe existed.

If any of the information in the “Alien Interview” transcripts is factual, it appears that the universe has been very, very thoroughly explored indeed — but not be humans.
— The Editor

Chapter Three – My Third Interview

“The third interview, and all subsequent interviews that I had with the alien were observed and recorded, as I mentioned above, by dozens of other people. Although they were not physically present, a special room had been constructed with a window of one-way glass through which the interview could be observed from an adjoining room, without intruding on the alien.

The alien had been moved into the newly constructed room and was seated in an ordinary overstuffed living room chair covered with a flowery fabric. I’m sure that someone had been sent into town to buy a chair from the nearest available furniture store. The aliens body was about the same size as a very thin 5 year old child, so she was dwarfed by the chair.

Since her body was not biological it didn’t need any food, air or heat, and apparently, she didn’t sleep either. There were no eyelids, or eyebrows above her eyes, so the eyes didn’t close. I don’t think anyone could tell whether she was sleeping or awake as long as she was sitting upright in the chair. Unless she moved her body or gestured with her hand, it would be hard to tell whether she was even alive or not, unless you could perceive her thoughts.

Eventually, I learned that the alien was not identified by her body, but by her “personality”, so to speak. She was known by her fellow aliens as “Airl”. This is the closest word I can use to describe the name using the English alphabet. I sensed that she preferred the feminine gender. I think we shared a natural, female empathy and nurturing attitude toward life and each other. I am sure she did not feel comfortable with the combative, aggressive, domineering attitude of the male officers and agents, each of whom was more concerned with their own personal self-importance and power than with discovering the secrets of the universe!

When I entered the room, she was very pleased to see me. I felt a very genuine sense of recognition, relief and a “warm” feeling from her. It was like the eager excitement and unconditional, platonic affection one feels from a dog or child, yet with a calm and reserved control. I must say that I was surprised that I felt the same sort of affection for the alien being, especially since we had spent so

little time with each other. I was pleased that I was able to continue my interviews with her in spite of all the attention it was getting from the stream of government and military people arriving at the base.

It was very obvious that the people who wrote the next series of questions for me wanted to learn how to communicate with the alien themselves, without having to go through me.

Here are the answers to the new list of questions:”

Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force Roswell Army Air Field, 50 9th Bomb Group


“QUESTION – Can you read or write any Earth languages?
QUESTION – Do you understand numbers or mathematics?
QUESTION – Can you write or draw symbols or pictures that we may be able to translate into our own language?
QUESTION – Are there any other signs or means of communication you can use to help us understand your thoughts more clearly?

“I was very sure that this was not true. But, I understood clearly that Airl was not willing to communicate in writing or drawing or sign language. My feeling was that she was following orders, like any soldier who has been captured, not to reveal any information that might be useful to an enemy, even under torture. She was only able and willing to reveal non-confidential, or personal information, or “name, rank and serial number”

Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group

SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 11. 7. 1947, 2nd Session

“QUESTION – Can you show us on a map of the stars which is the star of your home planet? 36 (Footnote)

This is not because she does not know the directions from Earth to her home planet. She was unwilling to reveal the location. It was also due to the fact that the star system of her home planet does not exist on any star map on Earth. It is too far away.

QUESTION – How long will it take your people to locate you here?
QUESTION – How long would it take your people to travel here to rescue you?
QUESTION – How can we make them understand that we do not intend to harm you?
QUESTION – If you are not a biological entity, why do you refer to yourself as feminine?

“These questions took me only a few minutes to complete. I realized then that we may be in for some serious trouble if the alien was not willing to cooperate, or reveal any information that the military or intelligence agencies or scientists considered to be useful to them.

I was also sure that the alien was very certain of the actual intentions of the people who wrote these questions, as she could “read their minds” just as easily as she could read my thoughts and communicate with me telepathically. Because of these intentions, she was unwilling and unable to cooperate with any of them in any way, under any circumstances.

I am equally sure that since she was not a biological life form, that there was no kind of torture or coercion that would change her mind!”


36 “…show us on a map of the stars which is the star of your home planet…”
“There are probably more than 100 billion (1011) galaxies in the observable universe. Most galaxies are 1,000 to 100,000parsecs (approximately 3.086*1016 m, 3.262 light-years or 19,176,075,967,324.937 miles) in diameter and are usually separated by distances on the order of millions of parsecs (or megaparsecs). Intergalactic space (the space between galaxies) is filled with a tenuous gas of an average density less than one atom per cubic meter.

Beginning in the 1990s, the Hubble Space Telescope yielded improved observations. Among other things, it established that the missing dark matter in our galaxy cannot solely consist of inherently faint and small stars. The Hubble Deep Field, an extremely long exposure of a relatively empty part of the sky, provided evidence that there are (at least) 125 billion galaxies in the universe.”
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Post Script from Mrs. MacElroy


The following message was enclosed in a separate envelope marked “READ ME LAST”, together with the original letter, the transcripts and the other notes of explanation I received in the envelope from Mrs. MacElroy.

This is what the message said:

“The other documents in this envelope are the end of the story, as far as what happened back in 1947. However, several months after the government got me settled at my final relocation destination, I continued my communication with Airl on a regular basis.

It has been almost exactly 40 years since
the crash at Roswell. Since then it has become obvious to me that I have been able to communicate telepathically with Airl for one reason: I am one of the 3,000 members of the Lost Battalion. At this time, all of the members of the Lost Battalion have been located on Earth as a result of The Domain Anunnaki Mission and their use of the “Tree of Life” detection device.

Through my communication with Airl, I have recovered some of my memory of lives I’ve spent on Earth over the past 8,000 years. Most of these memories are not especially important compared to the long backtrack of events, but it has been a necessary stepping stone to regaining my awareness and ability as an IS-BE.

I can also remember some dim patches of my life in The Domain Expeditionary Force. I was a nurse there too. For the most part I’ve been a nurse over and over and over again down through the ages. I stick with being a nurse because it is familiar to me. And, I enjoy the work of helping people, as well as members of the race of biological beings in The Domain whose bodies look more like insects than mammals, especially their hands. Even doll bodies need some repair once in awhile, too.

As I remember more about my past, I realize that the rest of my life is in the future. Eternity is not just in the past. Eternity is in the future. At
this point I am still not able to fully return to The Domain. I am sentenced to eternal imprisonment, like all other IS-BEs in the living Hell called Earth, until we can disable the “Old Empire” force screens.

Because I won’t keep my biological body much longer now, I am intensely aware that very soon I will be recycled through the amnesia process of the “Old Empire”, and stuck back into another baby body to start all over again – without any memory of what went before.

As you know, members of The Domain Expeditionary Force have been working to solve this problem for thousands of years. Airl says that even though The Domain has located all of the Lost Battalion officers and crew, the success of freeing them depends on the IS-BEs who are already on Earth. The Domain Central Command cannot authorize any personnel or resources, at this time, to conduct a “rescue mission” as this in not the primary mission of The Domain Expeditionary Force in this galaxy.

So, if IS-BEs on Earth are going to escape from this prison, it will have to be an “inside job”, so to speak. The inmates will have to figure out how to get themselves out. Various methods of recovering the memory and ability of IS-BEs have been developed over the past 10,000 years on Earth, but none have proven to be consistently effective so far.

Airl mentioned that the most significant breakthrough was made by Gautama Siddhartha about 2,500 years ago. However, the original teachings and techniques taught by The Buddha have been altered or lost over the millennia since then. The practical techniques of his philosophy were perverted into robotic religious rituals by priests as a self-serving instrument of control or slavery.

However, another major advance occurred recently. An acquaintance of The Commanding Officer of The Domain Expeditionary Force Space Station is an IS-BE who had once been an important engineer and officer in the “Old Empire” Space Fleet. He become an “untouchable” himself about 10,000 years ago and was sentenced to Earth for leading a mutiny against the oppressive regime of the “Old Empire”. The engineer was trained in Advanced Scientific Improvisation Theory thousands of years ago. This man has applied his expertise to helping The Domain solve the apparently unsolvable problem of rescuing the members of the Lost Battalion, as well as the IS-BEs on Earth.

Careful observation and experimental analysis of the mechanics of memory in IS-BEs by he and his wife, who assisted him, led to the realization that IS-BEs can recover from amnesia and also regain lost abilities. Together they discovered and developed effective methods that they used to rehabilitate their own memories. They eventually codified their methods so that others can safely be trained to apply them to themselves and others, without detection by the “Old Empire” thought control operators.

Their research also revealed that IS-BEs can occupy and operate more than one body at the same time -a fact that previously was thought to be uniquely limited to officers of The Domain.

One example of this fact is that the engineer, in a previous lifetime on Earth, was Suleiman The Magnificent 241 (Footnote). His assistant was a harem girl who rose up from slavery to become his wife and rule the Ottoman empire with him. 242 (Footnote) Simultaneously, she inhabited another body and ruled her own empire as Queen Elizabeth. 243 (Footnote) As the Queen of England, she never married, because she was already married to the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire!

In a later life he was incarnated as Cecil Rhodes. 244 (Footnote). During his life as Rhodes she was, again, a princess, this time from Poland. 245 (Footnote) As such, she pursued Rhodes unsuccessfully toward the end of his life. However, in their next incarnation they met again, were married, had a family, and again, worked together successfully all of their lives.

Several other notable examples of this phenomena were observed. For example, the process of refining steel was invented by the same IS-BE who inhabited two bodies simultaneously. One was named Kelly 246 (Footnote) who lived in Kentucky, and the other was a man named Bessemer (Footnote) who lived in England. They both conceived the same process at the same time.

Another example is Alexander Graham Bell 248 (Footnote) the inventor of the telephone, which was invented by several others at the same time, including Elisha Gray. 249 (Footnote) The telephone was conceived concurrently in several locations around the world all at once. This was a single IS-BE of such tremendous energy and ability that he was able to operate several bodies in several different locations while conducting complex research work!

Thanks to these revelations, The Domain has been able to return some of IS-BEs of the Lost Battalion to active duty on a limited, part-time basis. For example, two young girls who occupy biological bodies on Earth are now, at the same time, working as active members of The Domain Expeditionary Force on the asteroid space station as operators of a communication switchboard. These operators relay messages between The Domain Expeditionary Force and The Domain Command Headquarters.

Recently, I, myself have been able to resume some of my own duties for The Domain Expeditionary Force while continuing to live on Earth. This is not an easy task however, and can only be done while my biological body is sleeping.

It makes me very, very happy to know that we may not have to stay on Earth forever! There is hope of escape, not just for the Lost Battalion, but for many other IS-BEs on Earth.

However, all IS-BEs could be helped to become more aware of the actual situation on Earth through the information in this envelope. This is why I sent these letters and transcripts to you. I want you to get these documents published. I want IS-BEs on Earth to have a chance to find out what is really happening on Earth.

Most people will not believe any of it, I’m sure. It seems too incredible. No “reasonable” person would ever believe a word of it. However, it only seems “incredible” to an IS-BE whose memory has been erased and replaced with false information inside the electronically controlled illusion of a prison planet. We must not allow the apparent incredibility of our situation to prevent us from confronting the reality of it.

Frankly, “reasons” have nothing to do with reality. There are no reasons. Things are what they are. If we don’t face the facts of our situation, we’re going to stay under the thumb of the “Old Empire” forever! The biggest weapon the “Old Empire” has left now is our ignorance of what they are doing to all the IS-BEs on Earth. Disbelief and secrecy are the most effective weapons they have!

The government agencies that classified the enclosed transcripts as “TOP SECRET” are run by IS-BEs who are nothing more than mindless automatons covertly ordered about through hypnotic commands given by the “Old Empire” prison operators. They are the unknowing slaves of unseen slave masters – and all the more enslaved by their willingness to be slaves.

Most of the IS-BEs on Earth are good, honest, able beings: artists, managers, geniuses, free thinkers and revolutionaries who have harmed no one, really. They are no threat to anyone except the criminals who have imprisoned them.

They must find out about the “Old Empire” amnesia and hypnosis operation. They must remember their own past lives. The only way this will ever happen is to communicate, coordinate and fight back. We have to tell other people and they have to discuss it openly with each other. Communication is the only effective weapon against secrecy and oppression.

This is why I am asking you to tell this story. Please share these transcripts with as many people as you can. If the people of Earth are told what is really going on here, perhaps they will begin to remember who they are, and where they came from.

For now, we can begin our own release and rescue with words. We can be free again. We can be ourselves again.

Perhaps I will meet you in person, with or without a body, somewhere in our Eternal Future.

Good Luck To All Of Us,

Matilda O’Donnell MacElroy



241 “… Suleiman the Magnificent… ”
“Suleiman I (Ottoman Turkish: Sulayman, Turkish: Suleyman; almost always Kanuni Sultan Suleyman in Turkish) (November 6, 1494 – September 5/6, 1566), was the tenth and longest-reigning Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, from 1520 to his death in 1566. He is known in the West as Suleiman the Magnificent and in the East, as the Lawgiver (in Turkish Kanuni; Arabic: , al – QanunT), for his complete reconstruction of the Ottoman legal system. Suleiman became the pre-eminent monarch of 16th century Europe, presiding over the apex of the Ottoman Empire’s military, political and economic power.

Suleiman personally led Ottoman armies to conquer the Christian strongholds of Belgrade, Rhodes, and most of Hungary before his conquests were checked at the Siege of Vienna in 1529. He annexed most of the Middle East in his conflict with the Persians and large swathes of North Africa as far west as Algeria. Under his rule, the Ottoman fleet dominated the seas from the Mediterranean to the Indian Ocean.

At the helm of an expanding empire, Suleiman personally instituted legislative changes relating to society, education, taxation, and criminal law. His canonical law (or the Kanuns) fixed the form of the empire for centuries after his death. Not only was Suleiman a distinguished poet and goldsmith in his own right; he also became a great patron of culture, overseeing the golden age of the Ottoman Empire’s artistic, literary and architectural development.

In a break with Ottoman tradition, Suleiman married a harem girl who became Hurrem Sultan, whose intrigues in the court and power over the Sultan have become as famous as Suleiman himself.”
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242 “… His assistant was a harem girl who rose up from slavery to become his wife…”
” According to late sixteenth century and early seventeenth century sources such as the Polish poet Samuel Twardowski, she was born in the town which was then part of the Kingdom of Poland. She was captured by Crimean Tatars during one of their frequent raids into this region and taken as a slave, probably first to the Crimean city of Kaffa, a major centre of the slave trade, then to Istanbul, and was selected for Suleyman’s harem.

Suleiman was infatuated with Hurrem Sultan, a harem girl of Ruthenian origin. In the West foreign diplomats, taking notice of the palace gossip about her, called her “Russelazie” or “Roxolana”, referring to her Slavic origins. The daughter of an Orthodox Ukrainian priest, she was captured and rose through the ranks of the Harem to become Suleiman’s favorite.

Breaking with two centuries of Ottoman tradition, a former concubine had thus become the legal wife of the Sultan, much to the astonishment of observers in the palace and the city. He also allowed Hurrem Sultan to remain with him at court for the rest of her life, breaking another tradition—that when imperial heirs came of age, they would be sent along with the imperial concubine who bore them to govern remote provinces of the Empire, never to return unless their progeny succeeded to the throne.

Under his pen name, Muhibbi, Suleiman composed this poem for Roxolana:

“Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight.
My most sincere friend, my confidant, my very existence, my Sultan, my one and only love.
The most beautiful among the beautiful…
My springtime, my merry faced love, my daytime, my sweetheart, laughing leaf…

My plants, my sweet, my rose, the one only who does not distress me in this world… My Istanbul, my Caraman,

the earth of my Anatolia My Badakhshan, my Baghdad and Khorasan
My woman of the beautiful hair, my love of the slanted brow, my love of eyes full of mischief.
I’ll sing your praises always
I, lover of the tormented heart, Muhibbi of the eyes full of tears, I am happy.”

Roxelana, as she is better known in Europe, is well-known both in modern Turkey and in the West, and is the subject of many artistic works. She has inspired paintings, musical works (including Joseph Haydn’s Symphony No. 63), an opera by Denys Sichynsky, a ballet, plays, and several novels.”

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243 “… Queen Elizabeth… ”
Elizabeth I (7 September 1533 – 24 March 1603) was Queen of England and Queen of Ireland from 17 November 1558 until her death.

Sometimes called The Virgin Queen, Gloriana, The Faerie Queen or Good Queen Bess, Elizabeth was the fifth and last monarch of the Tudor dynasty. The daughter of Henry VIII, she was born a princess, but her mother, Anne Boleyn, was executed three years after her birth, and Elizabeth was declared illegitimate.

Perhaps for that reason, her brother, Edward VI, cut her out of the succession. His will, however, was set aside, as it contravened the Third Succession Act of 1543, in which Elizabeth was named as successor provided that Mary I of England, Elizabeth’s half-sister, should die without issue. In 1558, Elizabeth succeeded her half-sister, during whose reign she had been imprisoned for nearly a year on suspicion of supporting Protestant rebels.

Elizabeth set out to rule by good counsel. One of her first moves was to support the establishment of an English Protestant church, of which she became the Supreme Governor. This Elizabethan Religious Settlement held firm throughout her reign and later evolved into today’s Church of England. It was expected that Elizabeth would marry, but despite several petitions from parliament, she never did. The reasons for this choice are unknown, and they have been much debated.

As she grew older, Elizabeth became famous for her virginity, and a cult grew up around her which was celebrated in the portraits, pageants and literature of the day.

One of her mottos was video et taceo; “I see, and say nothing”.

This strategy, viewed with impatience by her counselors, often saved her from political and marital misalliances. Though Elizabeth was cautious in foreign affairs and only half-heartedly supported a number of ineffective, poorly resourced military campaigns in the Netherlands, France and Ireland, the defeat of the Spanish armada in 1588 associated her name forever with what is popularly viewed as one of the greatest victories in British history.

Within twenty years of her death, she was being celebrated as the ruler of a golden age, an image that retains its hold on the English people.

Elizabeth’s reign is known as the Elizabethan era, famous above all for the flourishing of English drama, led by playwrights such as William Shakespeare and Christopher Marlowe.”
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244 “… he was incarnated as Cecil Rhodes.”
Cecil John Rhodes, (July 5, 1853 – March 26, 1902) was a British-born South African businessman, mining magnate, and politician. He was the founder of the diamond company De Beers, which today markets 60% of the world’s rough diamonds and at one time marketed 90%. He was an ardent believer in colonialism and was the founder of the state of Rhodesia, which was named after him.

Rhodes profited greatly from controlling Southern Africa’s natural resources, the proceeds of which funded the Rhodes Scholarship upon his death. Rhodes never married, pleading that “I have too much work on my hands” and saying that he would not be a dutiful husband. Queen Victoria reportedly asked him if he was a woman-hater, which Rhodes denied insisting “How could I dislike a sex to which your Majesty belongs?”

Rhodes famously declared:

“To think of these stars that you see overhead at night, these vast worlds which we can never reach. I would annex the planets if I could; I often think of that. It makes me sad to see them so clear and yet so far.”

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245 “… she was a Polish princess… ”
“Princess Catherine Radziwill (March 30, 1858 – May 12, 1941) was a Polish princess from a famous Polish-Lithuanian aristocratic family called the Radziwills. She was born as Countess Ekaterina Adamovna Rzewuska. She married Prince Wilhelm Radziwill at age 15 and moved to Berlin to live with his family. It was speculated that she was the author of a book gossiping about the German Emperor William II and Berlin society in 1884 under the pen name Paul Vasili.

She stalked the English-born South African politician Cecil Rhodes and asked him to marry her, but he refused. She wrote a biography of Rhodes called “Cecil Rhodes: Man and Empire Maker”.
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246 “… One was named Kelly… ”
William Kelly (August 22, 1811 – February 11, 1888), born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, was an American inventor. Kelly studied metallurgy at the Western University of Pennsylvania. Kelly started experimenting with his “air-boiling process,” a process of blowing air up through molten iron to reduce the carbon content, in 1847.

His initial goal was to reduce the amount of fuel required for iron and steel making, because of the immense amount of timber required to make the charcoal. He discovered that, contrary to the expectations of his iron workers, the injected air did not cool the molten iron, but instead combined with the carbon to cause the iron to boil and burn violently until the carbon was greatly reduced, improving the quality of the iron or converting it to steel. His experiments began in 1847.

The same process was later independently invented and patented by Henry Bessemer.”
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247 “…the other was Bessemer…”
“Sir Henry Bessemer (January 19, 1813 – March 15, 1898), English engineer and inventor. Bessemer’s name is chiefly known in connection with the Bessemer process for the manufacturing of steel. Patents of such obvious value did not escape criticism, and invalidity was freely urged against them on various grounds. But Bessemer was fortunate enough to maintain them intact without litigation, though he found it advisable to buy up the rights of one patentee, while in another case he was freed from anxiety by the patent being allowed to lapse in 1859 through non-payment of fees.”
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248 ” Another IS-BE who did this was Alexander Bell…”
“As is sometimes common in scientific discoveries, simultaneous developments can occur, as evidenced by a number of inventors who were at work on the telephone.

Alexander Graham Bell (3 March 1847 – 2 August 1922) was an eminent scientist, inventor and innovator who is credited with the invention of the telephone. His father, grandfather and brother had all been associated with work on elocution and speech, and both his mother and wife were deaf, profoundly influencing Bell’s life’s work. His research on hearing and speech further led him to experiment with hearing devices that eventually culminated in Bell being awarded the first U.S. patent for the invention of the telephone in 1876.

In reflection, Bell considered his most famous invention an intrusion on his real work as a scientist and refused to have a telephone in his study.”
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249 …” it was invented by several others, including Elisha Gray.”
“Elisha Gray (August 2, 1835 – January 21, 1901) was an American electrical engineer and is best known for his development of a telephone prototype in 1876 in Highland Park, Illinois, U.S.A.. Mr. Elisha Gray, of Chicago also devised a tone telegraph of this kind about the same time as Herr La Cour. In this apparatus a vibrating steel reed interrupted the current, which at the other end of the line passed through an electromagnet and vibrated a matching steel reed near its poles. Gray’s ‘harmonic telegraph,’ with the vibrating reeds, was used by the Western Union Telegraph Company.

Since more than one set of vibrations — that is to say, more than one note — can be sent over the same wire simultaneously, the harmonic telegraph can be utilized as a ‘multiplex’ or many-ply telegraph, conveying several messages through the same wire at once; and these can either be read by the operator by the sound, or a permanent record can be made by the marks drawn on a ribbon of travelling paper by a Morse recorder. Bell’s March 10, 1876 laboratory notebook entry describing his first successful experiment with the telephone.

Bell’s patent application for the telephone was filed in the US patent office on February 14, 1876. The usual story says that Bell got to the patent office an hour or two before his rival Elisha Gray, and that Gray lost his rights to the telephone as a result.

According to Gray’s account, his patent caveat was taken to the US patent office a few hours before Bell’s application, shortly after the patent office opened and remained near the bottom of the in-basket until that afternoon. Bell’s application was filed shortly before noon on 14 February by Bell’s lawyer who requested that the filing fee be entered immediately onto the cash receipts blotter and that Bell’s application be taken to the examiner immediately.

Late that afternoon, the fee for Gray’s caveat was entered on the cash blotter and the caveat was not taken to the examiner until the following day. The fact that Bell’s filing fee was recorded earlier than Gray’s fee led to the story that Bell had arrived at the patent office earlier. Bell was in Boston on February 14 and did not know this was happening until he arrived in Washington on February 26.

Whether Bell’s application was filed before or after Gray’s caveat no longer mattered, because Gray abandoned his caveat, which opened the door to Bell being granted U.S. Patent 174,465_ for the telephone on 7 March 1876.”
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